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Peℓσѕι Barred by Catholic Church From Receiving Communion Over Abortion Advocacy
By Joseph Lord
May 20, 2022 Updated: May 20, 2022
Speaker of the House Nancy Peℓσѕι (D-Calif.) has been barred by the Catholic Church from receiving Holy Communion over her support of abortion, which the Catholic Church strongly opposes.
The decision was announced by San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Joseph Cordileone, who serves as archbishop for Peℓσѕι’s home city.
“After numerous attempts to speak with Speaker Peℓσѕι to help her understand the grave evil she is perpetrating, the scandal she is causing, [and] the danger to her own soul she is risking, I have determined that she is not to be admitted to Holy Communion,” Cordileone summarized in a Twitter post attached to a letter announcing the decision.
“There can be no more extreme example of … cultural depravity than when direct attacks on human life are enshrined in a nation’s law, celebrated by society, and even paid for by the government,” Cordileone wrote in the opening to the letter, published to the diocese website. “This is why Pope Francis, as much as any pope in living memory, has repeatedly and vividly affirmed the Church’s clear and constant teaching that abortion is a grave moral evil.”
“As the Archbishop of San Francisco, I am bound to be ‘concerned for all the Christian faithful entrusted to [my] care,'” Cordileone continued.
“This most serious duty can sometimes become unpleasant, especially when Catholics in public life explicitly promote practices that involve the direct taking of innocent human life, which is what abortion does,” he wrote. “I have struggled with this issue in my own conscience for many years now, especially with regard to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and member of our Archdiocese, Nancy Peℓσѕι.”
“I have received letters from very many of you over the years expressing distress over the scandal being caused by such Catholics in public life who promote such grievously evil practices as abortion,” he continued. “I have responded that conversion is always better than exclusion, and before any such action can be taken it must be preceded by sincere and diligent efforts at dialogue and persuasion.
“Unfortunately, Speaker Peℓσѕι’s position on abortion has become only more extreme over the years, especially in the last few months.
“Just earlier this month she once again, as she has many times before, explicitly cited her Catholic faith while justifying abortion as a ‘choice,’ this time setting herself in direct opposition to Pope Francis: ‘The very idea that they would be telling women the size, timing or whatever of their family, the personal nature of this is so appalling, and I say that as a devout Catholic’; ‘They say to me, “Nancy Peℓσѕι thinks she knows more about having babies than the Pope.’ Yes I do. Are you stupid?’
“After numerous attempts to speak with her to help her understand the grave evil she is perpetrating, the scandal she is causing, and the danger to her own soul she is risking, I have determined that the point has come in which I must make a public declaration that she is not to be admitted to Holy Communion unless and until she publicly repudiate her support for abortion ‘rights’ and confess and receive absolution for her cooperation in this evil in the sacrament of Penance. I have accordingly sent her a Notification to this effect, which I have now made public.”
Cordileone added that he “takes no pleasure” in the decision, saying that Peℓσѕι’s “advocacy for the care of the poor and vulnerable elicits my admiration … my action here is purely pastoral, not political.”
In concluding the letter, Cordileone wrote: “May God grant us the grace to be true advocates for the dignity of human life, in every stage and condition of life, and to accompany, support and love women who otherwise would be alone and afraid at a most vulnerable time in their lives.”
Cordileone’s action comes as the Supreme Court appears poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the seminal 1973 decision that forced states to allow abortion through the first trimester.
In the wake of a Politico article leaking the decision, Democrat leadership, including Peℓσѕι, began a push to enshrine the right to an abortion in U.S. law.
The bill they proposed to achieve this, dubbed the “Women’s Health Protection Act,” was too radical even for some Democrats, and failed in the Senate over the objections of every Republican member in addition to Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).
The issue of pro-abortion Catholics in public life has long been a headache for Catholic clergy, who have had to balance the demands of remaining politically independent while also upholding the rules of the Catholic Church, which is outspokenly opposed to abortion.
In 2019, a similar issue made headlines after then-candidate Joe Biden was denied Holy Communion at a Florence, South Carolina, Catholic Church over his support for abortion.
Peℓσѕι did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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“This is why Pope Francis, as much as any pope in living memory, has repeatedly and vividly affirmed the Church’s clear and constant teaching that abortion is a grave moral evil.”
Really now? C'mon.
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“This is why Pope Francis, as much as any pope in living memory, has repeatedly and vividly affirmed the Church’s clear and constant teaching that abortion is a grave moral evil.”
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Bullshit.
Pope Francis Awards Architect of Safe-Abortion Fund with Pontifical Honor
https://catholicnewslive.com/story/655346
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. “I have struggled with this issue in my own conscience for many years now, especially with regard to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and member of our Archdiocese, Nancy Peℓσѕι.”
Am I clueless or has my comprehension gone AWOL.?
Why would an Archbishop of all people have to struggle with his conscience on this issue?
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“This is why Pope Francis, as much as any pope in living memory, has repeatedly and vividly affirmed the Church’s clear and constant teaching that abortion is a grave moral evil.”
Really now? C'mon.
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Bullshit.
Pope Francis Awards Architect of Safe-Abortion Fund with Pontifical Honor
https://catholicnewslive.com/story/655346
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Oh, come on now, guys. Is that any way to talk about the next sainted VII pope? ;):laugh1:
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And just 7 months ago:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/politics/good-catholic-joe-biden-pope-francis/index.html
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It seems he’s an “archconservative”!
Archbishop Cordileone reveals he's not vaccinated for COVID-19, drawing sharp criticism | National Catholic Reporter
https://www.ncronline.org/news/coronavirus/archbishop-cordileone-reveals-hes-not-vaccinated-covid-19-drawing-sharp-criticism
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A Francis fanboy is downvoting this thread :jester:
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Is this a sort of excommunication?
"Pope" Francis said more than once that the Church should stop focusing on things like abortion. Maybe he just made a mistake in pastoral judgment about his tongue, and he really is "pro-life" ... but not the life of the Traditional Latin mass for one.
Anyway, a Maurice Pinay type blogger docuмented that Nancy Peℓσѕι's a Jєω, a marrano from Argentina in the D'Alessandro's, or the D'Alessandro marriage cycle, and that her husband is a Jєωιѕн real estate tycoon. This was some years ago, and where the blogger and his genealogical research went I don't know. I regret not copying the info to a file so others could look at it, and make their own judgments. I'm not a researcher like that. Somebody else can go look into it if they're up for it.
How much does it really matter? I don't know. The country's already been steeped in a lot of liberalism for so long now that it's not easy to say. Anyway, I think the Jєωs run the USA, and so the social climate is affected, etc. That's how one can get an "Italian" "Catholic" mother like Peℓσѕι to say things like "abortion is sacred". To risk being honest, about offensive opinions at least, if Dugin's a Satanist, Peℓσѕι's not far behind.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/nancy-Peℓσѕιs-husband-paul-buys-tesla-stock-worth-2-2m/
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/jerusalem-post-Peℓσѕιs-father-bucked-fdr-truman-aid-Jєωs-israel
https://18doors.org/nancy_Peℓσѕιs_interfaith_family/
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“This is why Pope Francis, as much as any pope in living memory, has repeatedly and vividly affirmed the Church’s clear and constant teaching that abortion is a grave moral evil.”
Really now? C'mon.
Ridiculous. Has Bergoglio even mentioned the word abortion? He's promoting various pro-abortionists to Vatican committees.
Bergoglio will likely discipline Cordileone.
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When Nancy Peℓσѕι, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, stepped to the podium at a Knesset dinner during her visit to Israel earlier this month, she made history in more ways than one.
Not only was she the first woman House speaker to address Israel's lawmakers, Rep. Peℓσѕι (D-San Francisco) was also addressing the parliament of a country whose creation her own father championed at the risk of his career -- and perhaps her career, as well.
Peℓσѕι's father, the late Rep. Thomas D'Alesandro Jr. of Maryland, was known as a Roosevelt Democrat. What is not widely known is that D'Alesandro broke ranks with President Franklin D. Roosevelt on the issues of rescuing Jєωs from Hitler and creating a Jєωιѕн state.
D'Alesandro was one of the congressional supporters of the Bergson Group, a maverick Jєωιѕн political action committee that challenged the Roosevelt administration's policies on the Jєωιѕн refugee issue during the h0Ɩ0cαųst and later lobbied against British control of Palestine.
The Bergson activists used unconventional tactics to draw attention to the plight of Europe's Jєωs, including staging theatrical pageants, organizing a march by 400 rabbis to the White House and placing more than 200 full-page advertisements in newspapers around the country.
Some of those ads featured lists of celebrities, prominent intellectuals and members of Congress who supported the group -- including D'Alesandro.
D'Alesandro's involvement with the Bergson Group was remarkable because he was a Democrat who was choosing to support a group that was publicly challenging a Democratic president.
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A Francis fanboy is downvoting this thread :jester:
XavierSemNishant sign back up under a new account ... or could it be RomanTheo?
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The first two links I posted are cut off, so I pasted in part of them.
Paul Peℓσѕι, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι (D-Calif.) bought Tesla stock worth $2.2 million this month – an investment that came as a growing number of lawmakers push for an outright ban on stock trades for members of Congress and their spouses. Critics argue that Paul Peℓσѕι's stock trades are a conflict of interest given the House Speaker's role.
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Most of them are just a bunch of greedy thieves and have made millions with stocks in conflict of interest. Look at their families with jobs in the Ukraine.
"Nancy Peℓσѕι's Son Paul Jr. Was Exec at 'Ukraine-Based Gas Company,' Similar to Hunter Biden"
Both members of political parties should have their stock portfolios investigated.
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Letter was was wimpy. It is because of Catholics leaving the Church if he didn’t take action. The laity is starting to wake up.
She should have been banned years ago. Easy decision when one is Catholic.
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XavierSemNishant sign back up under a new account ... or could it be RomanTheo?
I’m getting warmer ... as this post got downvoted also.
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XavierSemNishant sign back up under a new account ... or could it be RomanTheo?
Maybe it's Peℓσѕι! :laugh1:
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I wonder when the last time Peℓσѕι's shadow darkened the inside of a Church to attend her Novus Ordo service.
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Is this a sort of excommunication?
"Pope" Francis said more than once that the Church should stop focusing on things like abortion. Maybe he just made a mistake in pastoral judgment about his tongue, and he really is "pro-life" ... but not the life of the Traditional Latin mass for one.
Anyway, a Maurice Pinay type blogger docuмented that Nancy Peℓσѕι's a Jєω, a marrano from Argentina in the D'Alessandro's, or the D'Alessandro marriage cycle, and that her husband is a Jєωιѕн real estate tycoon. This was some years ago, and where the blogger and his genealogical research went I don't know. I regret not copying the info to a file so others could look at it, and make their own judgments. I'm not a researcher like that. Somebody else can go look into it if they're up for it.
How much does it really matter? I don't know. The country's already been steeped in a lot of liberalism for so long now that it's not easy to say. Anyway, I think the Jєωs run the USA, and so the social climate is affected, etc. That's how one can get an "Italian" "Catholic" mother like Peℓσѕι to say things like "abortion is sacred". To risk being honest, about offensive opinions at least, if Dugin's a Satanist, Peℓσѕι's not far behind.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/24/nancy-Peℓσѕιs-husband-paul-buys-tesla-stock-worth-2-2m/
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/jerusalem-post-Peℓσѕιs-father-bucked-fdr-truman-aid-Jєωs-israel
https://18doors.org/nancy_Peℓσѕιs_interfaith_family/
Roger!
Peℓσѕι is an Argentine Marrano-ess who’s family made their political fortunes pretending to be Catholic.
The symbolism of this ban is all that matters.
It is reminiscent of St. Pius V’s excommunication of the demonic Queen Elizabeth.
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I guess I offended a Peℓσѕι fan! :laugh2:
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…Anyway, a Maurice Pinay type blogger docuмented that Nancy Peℓσѕι's a Jєω, a marrano from Argentina in the D'Alessandro's, or the D'Alessandro marriage cycle, and that her husband is a Jєωιѕн real estate tycoon. …
I have seen considerable speculation, but nothing I would call docuмentation that Peℓσѕι/D'Alessandro is a Jєω.
Here is the most factual derogatory information I have seen about the family: https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/01/fbi-vault-on-Peℓσѕιs-politician-father-thomas-d-alesandro/
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Though he quotes part of Canon 915 ("Those … obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”) in his 20 May 2022 "Letter to the faithful on the Notification sent to Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι" (https://sfarchdiocese.org/letter-to-the-faithful-on-the-notification-sent-to-speaker-nancy-Peℓσѕι/), nowhere does the word "excommunicated" appear.
Please know that I find no pleasure whatsoever in fulfilling my pastoral duty here. [?] Speaker Peℓσѕι remains our sister in Christ. [Not if she's excommunicated!] Her advocacy for the care of the poor and vulnerable [which includes the unborn!!] elicits my admiration.
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Perhaps he agree with canonist Ed Peters that "The case for applying Canon 1398 ['A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latæ sententiæ excommunication.'] to politicians is very weak (http://www.canonlaw.info/2007/05/case-for-applying-canon-1398-to.html)".
Nor does it appear in his May 20, 2022, "Notification to the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States Congress Nancy Peℓσѕι (https://sfarchdiocese.org/notification-to-the-speaker-of-the-house-of-representatives-of-the-united-states-congress-nancy-Peℓσѕι/)".
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Cordileone is a Novus Ordo conservative. He professes to be "pro-life" and favors the Latin Mass. I believe he ignored Traditionis Custodes by continuing to say "Mass" (not sure if it was Novus Ordo or Tridentine) in Latin in his cathedral.
Smells and bells modernism.
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I guess I offended a Peℓσѕι fan! :laugh2:
Whoever it is, he/she is a coward.
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Perhaps he agree with canonist Ed Peters that "The case for applying Canon 1398 ['A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latæ sententiæ excommunication.'] to politicians is very weak (http://www.canonlaw.info/2007/05/case-for-applying-canon-1398-to.html)".
Which is irrelevant, anyway. It's not just excommunicates who are barred from receiving Holy Communion, but all public sinners. And using one's public authority to give abortion the right of law is formal cooperation in the sin of abortion and a mortal sin against morality and against the duties of their office, and since the act is public, it follows that any politician who does this must be denied the sacraments according to Canon Law.
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Hey Bonaventure is that you?
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I guess I offended a Peℓσѕι fan! :laugh2:
And I must have offended a Cordileone fan. We seem to have a Novus Ordies on this thread. :laugh1:
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Bullshit.
You must think of the children and the ladies, especially the members of the CI Brain-dead Scandal Police. They are watching and they are judging...always...
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Though I don't agree with the schismatic Dimond Bros., they did make a good video on Cordileone's Modernism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3bZsmuqC14).
Cordileone interview in aforementioned video: I cannot judge her [Peℓσѕι's] faith. [Not even in the external forum‽] From my interactions with her, I think she's sincere when she says that. I think her faith really is important to her; it really is important to her to be Catholic; and she feels devotion in her heart. […] She has a wonderful maternal heart.[❗️]
cf. St. Pius X, Pascendi (https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis.html) §7 on the Modernists' vital immanence: "faith, which is the basis and the foundation of all religion, consists [according to Modernists] in a sentiment which originates from a need of the divine."
Letter to the faithful on the Notification sent to Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι, May 20, 2022 (https://sfarchdiocese.org/letter-to-the-faithful-on-the-notification-sent-to-speaker-nancy-Peℓσѕι/): Speaker Peℓσѕι remains our sister in Christ. [Not if she's excommunicated!] Her advocacy for the care of the poor and vulnerable [except the unborn!] elicits my admiration. I assure you that my action [of withholding Communion from her] here is purely pastoral, not political.