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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2021, 02:45:13 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on July 05, 2021, 02:02:33 PM
2Vermont's response is better thought out and precise compared to your few words. Why someone would pick the dustmite on the elephant subject of detraction to chime on that other thread is beyond me? I suppose one could have said "LT, I don't think it can be called detraction, I'd call it an ad-hominem attack, or reviling, or maybe even calumny, God Bless!" But that is not what Matto and you did. Very odd to me, I would not have expected it from both of you.
To be fair to Matto and Ladislaus, I just don't think they thought beyond the OP.
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Offline bodeens

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2021, 03:02:29 PM »
Case in point: I am a lurker and didn't think there was any reason to think he was being Pharasaical (I never saw and refuse to read what everyone is referring too) but now it's in my mind that there might be! I'm still not going to look up what people are referring to but it just shows that detraction is so easy.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2021, 03:03:41 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 05, 2021, 02:45:13 PM
To be fair to Matto and Ladislaus, I just don't think they thought beyond the OP.

Matto was not speaking to this specific incident but was just citing a general definition of detraction, which Last Trad construed as an attack ... which it was not.  I was simply chiming in ... in Matt's defense ... with regard to the technical definition of detraction, that it didn't apply here ... with any regard whatsoever to whether the accusations were true or false.  Things can be false without being detraction.  They could be slander or calumny, etc. or some other category or falsehood.

And I wouldn't have cared except for the fact that Last Trad went after Matto about it as if it were a personal attack, "Et tu, Brute?"

You can protest that we're arguing technicalities, but it was YOU who misconstrued Matto's clarification as a personal attack, and that's when I decided to chime in, since you had it wrong there.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2021, 03:09:29 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 05, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
I would say that when someone refers to LT's POSTING HISTORY here, then that is at least detraction despite the fact that all of his posting history is technically "public".  Why?  Because there are many members and lurkers here, many new posters in fact, that may not be aware of "LT's posting history".  Heck, I've been here a long time and I am not aware of all of his posts.  So, in that sense, it was a revelation of a supposed hidden fault.

If we're all honest with ourselves, we know that none of us are blameless and none of our posting histories are spotless.  In fact, I suspect that each and every one of us are.....prideful at least at times.  

The whole matter is....ironic.

No, the problem came when Matto disagreed with Last Trad's use of the term "detraction" ... which Last Trad took as a personal attack from Matto.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2021, 03:20:35 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 05, 2021, 03:09:29 PM
No, the problem came when Matto disagreed with Last Trad's use of the term "detraction" ... which Last Trad took as a personal attack from Matto.
No, the issue started with Bonaventure's comments.
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