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Author Topic: Detraction - When are We Guilty?  (Read 2810 times)

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Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2021, 01:47:13 PM »
Precisely for the reasons cited by Matto.  Detraction involves the revelation of a SECRET or HIDDEN fault.  This accusation of pride was based on your public posting and not based on some personal knowledge that is known to the accuser alone.  Call it a false accusation, perhaps even calumny, but it's not detraction.
I would disagree with how things went down.  If one were to make a judgment based on the original post (accusation of pride), then it might be a "public" revelation about THAT post.  And, even so, one would need to interpret that same post the same way to make the same judgment (in fact, we have seen that a number of posters in the original thread that did NOT judge it the same way).

I would say that when someone refers to LT's POSTING HISTORY here, then that is at least detraction despite the fact that all of his posting history is technically "public".  Why?  Because there are many members and lurkers here, many new posters in fact, that may not be aware of "LT's posting history".  Heck, I've been here a long time and I am not aware of all of his posts.  So, in that sense, it was a revelation of a supposed hidden fault.

If we're all honest with ourselves, we know that none of us are blameless and none of our posting histories are spotless.  In fact, I suspect that each and every one of us are.....prideful at least at times.  

The whole matter is....ironic.

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2021, 01:51:56 PM »
Per the claims of pride against Tradhican, in the other thread only, I would say it is closer to reviling than detracting, since he was preset for the remarks.
What do you mean by: "since he was preset for the remarks".


Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2021, 01:58:37 PM »
What do you mean by: "since he was preset for the remarks".
It was supposed to be "present" but my phone thought otherwise.  :laugh1:

You were present in the discussion as the remarks were made, so in the case of that thread certain individuals were reviling you. Yet, as 2V pointed out, many of us do not know your posting history, and while that is "public" information if we take the time to look for it, in the context of the present case it would still constitute detraction because these supposed instances would have been hidden from our knowledge of you.

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2021, 02:02:33 PM »
Precisely for the reasons cited by Matto.  Detraction involves the revelation of a SECRET or HIDDEN fault.  This accusation of pride was based on your public posting and not based on some personal knowledge that is known to the accuser alone.  Call it a false accusation, perhaps even calumny, but it's not detraction.
2Vermont's response is better thought out and precise compared to your few words. Why someone would pick the dustmite on the elephant subject of detraction to chime on that other thread is beyond me? I suppose one could have said "LT, I don't think it can be called detraction, I'd call it an ad-hominem attack, or reviling, or maybe even calumny, God Bless!" But that is not what Matto and you did. Very odd to me, I would not have expected it from both of you. 

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2021, 02:11:44 PM »
If one were to make a judgment based on the original post (accusation of pride), then it might be a "public" revelation about THAT post.  And, even so, one would need to interpret that same post the same way to make the same judgment (in fact, we have seen that a number of posters in the original thread that did NOT judge it the same way).
Why do you think we had some vocal posters in that thread that took the OP personally as a rebuke directed at them?