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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2019, 07:17:13 PM »
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    • Agreed.  There are some reasons that would justify wearing pants ... e.g., injury, work that might be difficult or even hazardous (where you could trip) with a dress on, to wear underneath a dress/skirt in cold weather, etc.  At the seminary, like an idiot, I wore my cassock up on a barn root to redo the steel roofing panels ... could have killed myself.  Pants are not intrinsically evil.  There are even some flowing, more feminine versions of pants out there as well, with the baggy legs so that it's almost impossible to distinguish it from a skirt from a longer distance or even up close if you don't stare at it.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #46 on: January 06, 2019, 07:20:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on January 06, 2019, 07:13:52 PM
    Is contentiousness not a lack of charity? If so, how could it possibly apply only to the gentler sex?

    It doesn't.  But we're speaking in the context of feminism.  So, for instance, for wife to be contentious (and competitive) with her husband, and men in general, takes on the aspect of feminism.  Contentiousness (as described by St. Paul) would be wrong for men also, but it does not in that context take on the aspect of feminism.

    Now, competitiveness (different from contentiousness) is perfectly good and fine between men, but runs counter to and harms the feminine nature.  That is why in workplaces and sports, men deal with competition much better than women.  Women invariably make it PERSONAL, whereas men could duke it out and sincerely shake hands and walk away with respect for their opponent after the fact ... even after losing.  Making things personal is not a defect, but a feminine strength ... since women have a tendency to be personal in their relationships, whereas men can be a little cold and intellectual.  That's needed in a family, especially in the nurturing of children.  But that same nature is ill-suited to situations in public which require disagreement and competition.  Women don't even compete well with other women, but it's even more in line with feminism for women to compete in this way with men.

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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #47 on: January 06, 2019, 11:46:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 04, 2019, 08:44:20 PM
    Trust your husband in this.
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    What is it that you are terrified by? This is a genuine question which interests me.
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    I once had it explained to me like this. Baby boys and baby girls both identify from birth with their mother rather than with their father. That makes it easier for girls to identify with the right sex. But a boy has an extra and harder task, and that is to move their identification from the mother to his father to become a healthy balanced male. That is why boys must have not only a father, but a strong father, to latch onto for his idendity. Observe how fathers act differently to their boy babies than to their girl babies. You will observe them roughing up their boys, as an intro to toughening them.
    I don't believe that many men think about this because it is something instinctive just as it is instinctive for all babies to first identify with their mothers' breast.
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    Be careful not to undo the work of the father by being too soft on your boy., and more especially by doubting that he knows what he is doing. Your son will pick up the subtle or maybe not so subtle nuances even in your thoughts, and their may create a sense of unease.
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    He will need a certain amount of toughening to survive in this world.
    Here's my contrary opinion on the football... I have no problem with boys doing manly activities, but I do have a problem with boys or girls getting involved in activities that (1) have a large social component and (2) are open to the general public.
    We certainly do things outside the house, but I generally avoid activities where my children will be interacting with a small, consistent group of other kids. We can barely go to the park without encountering kids who toss about profanities as if they're a normal part of everyday speech. The average public school kid is not the sort of person you want your presumably homeschoooled, Catholic children engaging with on a regular basis. Sure, you'll find some nice families who are exceptions, but there's no way in a team activity that you'll be able to limit interactions to just those exceptions. If team sports were on our radar, I might consider homeschool leagues, but not an open-to-all community league.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #48 on: January 07, 2019, 12:21:08 AM »
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    • Mater, I am curious as to why you quote me and say yours is a contrary opinion, as I said absolutely nothing about sports.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #49 on: January 07, 2019, 12:25:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 07, 2019, 12:21:08 AM
    Mater, I am curious as to why you quote me and say yours is a contrary opinion, as I said absolutely nothing about sports.
    Yours was the last post I read about the football topic. That's really the only reason. "Trust your husband in this" led me to believe you agreed with everyone else about team football being a good idea.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #50 on: January 07, 2019, 09:53:48 AM »
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    • If you don't already - a very good way of rejecting the feminist mindset is to veil for Mass and prayer generally.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #51 on: January 07, 2019, 10:18:52 AM »
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    • Stick to being pretty.

    And pleasant :)

    Cultivate a meek and quiet spirit (Peter 1, 3:4)

    Reject all degeneracy.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #52 on: January 07, 2019, 01:23:18 PM »
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    • I love veiling at church! My oldest does too, my younger daughter doesn’t quite like wearing things on her head. She’s getting there tbough. I’ve veiled since I was young when we still went to the NO mass. 

    I’m not sure if you guys have ever seen them, but they make lace infinity scarves that are also veils. That’s my favorite one to wear!
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #53 on: January 07, 2019, 01:38:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on January 07, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
    Stick to being pretty.

    And pleasant :)

    Cultivate a meek and quiet spirit (Peter 1, 3:4)

    Reject all degeneracy.
    I love this lol It’s simple, but explains everything. 
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #54 on: January 07, 2019, 03:22:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on January 04, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
    Could all of you help list things that would be feminist thinking? I think it would greatly help me detox, and help further pull me to the correct behavior as a women. I’ve always embraced my feminine side, and loved it. But that being said I’m sure I’ve soaked to long in the secular nonsense that my thinking may be muddled on some things.
    The definition of feminism from Wiki:

    “Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men.“

    VW, if this is not your daily bread and butter and your beliefs are opposite of this statement then you’re not a feminist. Simple as that.

    However, if you have many flaws, and sinful bad habits, like most of us woman do, then one of the best things a lady can do in working on improving herself, is to read the Saints, and the Saints on Mary.
    To try and imitate Mary and other women Saints is an excellent way of rooting out bad habits and thinking.
    Pray and ask Them to help you, They want nothing more than your sanctification too.

    My life has forever changed after reading the lives of the Saints. Some of my personal favorites are, Jacinta and Lucia, St Bridget, St Gertrude, St Monica, St Rita, and Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres.
    Impossible not to take them and what they say to heart.

    An honorable mention is Francisco of Fatima. Not a girl or woman, but next to Jacinta, his life after seeing the Mother of God is the most inspirational life I have ever read. It will humble you like nothing else.
    Your children should be inspired by it as well.

    Another thing to do is stay away from online mommy blogs. All you get is a bunch of different opinions from random women some of whom really are feminists and don’t know up from down. Even Traditional Catholic ones have problems so pray for discernment on that. Be safe and be sane, stick to the Saints. 






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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #55 on: January 07, 2019, 04:30:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on January 07, 2019, 01:23:18 PM
    I love veiling at church! My oldest does too, my younger daughter doesn’t quite like wearing things on her head. She’s getting there tbough. I’ve veiled since I was young when we still went to the NO mass.

    I’m not sure if you guys have ever seen them, but they make lace infinity scarves that are also veils. That’s my favorite one to wear!
    All the women and girls in our extended family veil as I personally feel all women should. 
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #56 on: January 07, 2019, 07:09:04 PM »
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    • I want to clarify the "internal assent" comment.  I don't believe that women have to absolutely agree with every decision made by their husband.  What I meant by that is a genuine acquiescence to their decision and a respect for the decision ... without "grumbling" or "murmuring" about it on the inside (while accepting outwardly).
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #57 on: January 07, 2019, 07:17:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on January 07, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
    Stick to being pretty.

    And pleasant :)

    Cultivate a meek and quiet spirit (Peter 1, 3:4)

    Reject all degeneracy.
    I really like this also.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #58 on: January 07, 2019, 07:19:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on January 04, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
    Do people here think that participating in forum debates fosters contentiousness?  Is it something that a woman ought to avoid?

    I've actually been pondering this question, and after much reflection have come to the conclusion that it is in fact inappropriate for a woman to argue contentiously with men (including on a forum).

    So, for instance, I believe it wrong and contrary to nature for a girl to compete against a boy in physical competition ... for a variety of reasons that I'll elaborate upon.  I don't see why intellectual battles with men should be any different.

    Would you let your daughter play football against boys?  Of course not.  Girls should not be competitive directly with boys.  It's possible that you'd find a girl here or there who could compete well with boys (athletic and strong, etc.) ... but it's still inappropriate.  It harms both the boys and the girls involved.  And the boy is in an awkward position.  God designed boys to be chivalrous and respectful towards ladies.  So a girl is running at him carrying a football.  How does he react?  Does he hit her with everything he's got?  That's contrary to every male instinct implanted by God.  Does he then "pull his punches" and hold back?  In that case, he's hurting his team and not able to compete the way he's supposed to as a boy/man.

    JayneK, I recall once that you objected to how I battled with you, since you are a woman.  But if you were to get into a boxing ring with me and start punching me in the face, isn't that putting me in an unfair no-win situation?  I'm not supposed to hit a lady, of course, but then do I just stand there and take repeated blows to the face?  That also is unmanly to let yourself get beaten up.  So it puts a man into a position of having to do something unmanly.
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    Re: Detoxing feminist thinking
    « Reply #59 on: January 07, 2019, 07:32:35 PM »
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    • Agree, 100%.  Having internet conversations and sharing articles with women is fine.  But as soon as women start debating something philosophical/theological, while they might make some good points initially, they usually don't have the drive/stomach to "get into the details" which are needed to come to a conclusion.  So what happens?  They cause men to get frustrated because the women can't continue the conversation they started and keep repeating the entry-level points that have already been made multiple times.  And the women get frustrated because they don't understand why the men don't "validate" their point, not understanding that sometimes many distinctions must be made, depending on circuмstances and that some principles don't apply all the time.

    Result?  Both sexes get frustrated, nothing is solved, time is wasted, tempers flare and venial sins are committed through uncharity, impatience and anger.  Women should stay out of the realm of education and higher studies (generally speaking) unless they are somehow trained in it (which is unwomanly and not normal).
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