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Author Topic: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?  (Read 1225 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2021, 10:17:09 AM »
It's always been said that the younger generation is worse than the older since time immemorial, but in these days of the Great Apostasy I think it's certainly true. And it'll continue to be that way until the end of the Crisis IMO.
This ^^

Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2021, 11:53:24 AM »
Looking at a chapel I used to attend, (I’ve been staying home alone since Covid forced me into exile miles from any traditional mass.), I don’t give it much chance of still being in existence in 15-20 years or less.  There are several large families, but children gradually leave as they come of age, mostly by marrying from novus ordo or conservative Protestants.  The reason for this is obvious.  The large families are all related, most of the young people are cousins.  The average age of a member is approximately in the mid to late 50s, with no marriageable children.  There are many “individual” members, either married to non-Catholics, the only traditionalist in their family, or single and for various reasons never going to marry or have children.  There are also numerous women with a few children, either “single” or divorced, who cannot homeschool or lack total control over their children, shared custody. There’s a lack of community.  More people than not drive 50+ miles one way, cannot homeschool or have no choice but public school.  The area where the chapel is located is not conducive to young families settling nearby.  It’s extremely expensive.  A family making under six figures won’t make it.  That means either two full-time working parents, someone already established with family support, or a man with an unusually lucrative job.  It’s not a rural area so people can’t make up for food expenses by having large gardens and raising animals, or, say, burning wood for heat.  


Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2021, 10:00:08 PM »
Wow, it's pretty bleak where you guys are at. My SSPX parish is full of young men and women, as well as children and elderly, and the place is packed every Sunday. The only crushingly bleak point of the trad life for me is praying for the conversion of my wife and her obstinacy against me rearing our kids in the Faith (I'm a convert from Atheism, it's been a big change for us). Thankfully, my daughter very much likes Our Lady, so there's hope yet.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2021, 12:14:07 AM »
A similar thought-exercise:

How many multi-generational families at your chapel? Since a young couple with a kid or two is "too easy", let's define multi-generational as 3 GENERATIONS OR MORE. After all, in 2021 most people live into their 60's at least, right? It should be quite commonplace to live to see your grandchildren, if not great-grandchildren. Right?

But even though Tradition is NOT a new thing, Trad chapels have been around for decades, how many chapels have large extended families attending? You know, a couple has a large family, then each of their children get married, and the ones who stay in town continue to go to that chapel -- with their kids. This shouldn't be too much to ask; I know the SSPX (which is 80-90% of Tradition) had a real low point in the mid-80's, so few chapels in the USA go back that far, but by the 90's things were building up again.

Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2021, 03:29:21 AM »
Multigenerational families in a chapel?  Again, I’ll answer for a chapel I no longer attend.  What comes to mind are three large families, two of whom had one or more grandparents living with them.  The fathers in two families were brothers were brothers who lived about 70 miles apart with the chapel approximately half way.  One of the families alternated between the SSPX chapel and an indult mass closer to home.  This was due to having a seriously ill child who could sometimes make the short trip, but the longer trip, rarely, so one parent or the other would stay home from the SSPX.  The elders of the founding families, mostly large, but without extended family, began dying off in the late 90s and today, there are maybe three or four widows/widowers left.  Their children mostly left either having lost or never acquired the faith, (small number), in order to marry because there was literally nobody to marry in the chapel, (a few went to St. Mary’s, some back to novus ordo, some to conservative Protestants, a few to no religion), and the bulk of them, no matter their spiritual status, left the area because it was simply too expensive for a young couple to get established.  Having grown up there myself, I left and didn’t return although single because I couldn’t support myself.