How do we as traditional catholics get involved, or should get involved, with american politics considering our founding fathers were masons?

How do we participate in this "democracy" which is a masonic ideal at its core?

Should we adopt conservative christian principles within the "republic" and "democracy" like someone like Patrick Buchanan?

What about Ron Paul? The man in my opinion who is the most honest and the most feared by the globalist bankers....yet he embraces "liberty" another masonic ideal.

Should we be open in our desires to overthrow this democratic republic we live in in favor of a catholic monarchy or dictatorship?


I guess Im having problems with this because I used to be very "conservative", yet now that I have converted to the traditional faith I am unsure how I should get involved in this anti-catholic masonic political structure.

Literally all your posts are full of an almost schizophrenic paranoia. This worm of conscience is not of God. Buy the the spiritual books you need to buy (stop throwing away money to the Diamonds) and get unplugged. It seriously seems like the internet is only aggravating your scruples and that you need to take some time off to seriously cultivate your interior life.

With all due respect Vladimir I think you are out of line. First of all in regard to MHFM, I realize they are not the "church." I do not agree with everything they believe, yet I think that their videos are some of the most informative collaborations of resources that detail exactly what Vatican II taught and how we got where we are.

Second of all, I think the topic of catholics participating in american politics is a fascinating one, especially when you consider that 99% of American "Founding fathers" were non-catholics, most of whom were Masons. And if you dont know, freemasons are a group of people who detest the catholic religion.

I appreciate your concern however, and I agree I need to focus more on my interior life.

Democracy, in itself, is not evil. Monarchy is the best form of government, however.

Virtually all present day governments are infested with masonry, so you will not find one which is in line with Catholic teaching. The most effective thing to do now is pray that God will soon restore Catholic order in the world. It is also needless to say that we must resist the masonic spirit which is inimical to the true faith.

Democracy, in itself, is not evil. Monarchy is the best form of government, however.

I think it depends on the context, given what we know about the current state of the world and about human nature.  Democracy is, as an abstract theory of political organisation, not instrinsically evil.  That being said, given the effects of Original Sin, in any state that contains more than several thousand people, democracy is essentially an arrangement by which the true interests of the community are put at the discretion of avaricious, wealthy men who don't have the interests of the community at heart.  Democracy as explained by the revolutionaries -- that is, the modern model of democracy practiced everywhere and always connoted by the name of the system for the past several hundred years -- is evil in itself.  The simple concept of a government that involves certain members of the community having the right to introduce and vote on legislation is not evil.  But within a revolutionary state, where the legitimate power is not recognised and the revolutionary sense of democracy is put forward, it is.

If I recall correctly, Leo XIII said that any government is acceptable in itself so long as it is not against the moral law.  It seems to me that this excludes democracy and republics in large countries, since, almost with the regularity of a mathematical formula, we can know that the moral law will be subverted and nobody but the least scrupulous amongst the merchant class will profit from it.  Spiritually, nobody will profit from it.  That is one of the issues I have with Leo XIII's writings on this subject -- he, unlike Ven. Pius IX and St. Pius X, does not integrate his instructions into the obvious historical context and instead deals with the matter in strictly abstract terms.  This lack of forthrightness on the question has been vigorously exploited by bad-willed liberal clerics, especially in the United States, as a papal vindication of their liberalism.

Virtually all present day governments are infested with masonry, so you will not find one which is in line with Catholic teaching. The most effective thing to do now is pray that God will soon restore Catholic order in the world. It is also needless to say that we must resist the masonic spirit which is inimical to the true faith.

Yes !

I would also recommend, curiouscatholic, making your own home a little bastion of the natural order, since the counter-revolution will not be a contrary-revolution, but the contrary of revolution.  If you do not have your own home yet, perhaps you should get an occupation that will allow you to do this, to get a family and have a sufficient quantity of time at home with it so that you can foster its spiritual health.

Don't get involved.  It is a waste of time.  The country has been taken over.  Short of a revolution and a new Constitution, nothing can be done to fix it.

Every election can be rigged and a large majority of politicians have been bought and paid for.  

Focus on your family and your spiritual life.  Politics are the opiate for the masses.