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Offline WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat

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Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2025, 04:08:37 PM »
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  • are we playing that game on here of all places where every claim requires a docuмented source and footnotes?
    That's what I thought. No sources.
    Calumny is a sin.
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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #61 on: March 15, 2025, 04:27:30 PM »
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  • That's what I thought. No sources.
    Calumny is a sin.
    Interesting that you would leap to dispute that Rose was a jew rather than condemn his statements about Our Lady of Fatima and St. Francis, maybe the greatest of all Catholic saints. It says a lot about your allegiances. 



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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #62 on: March 15, 2025, 05:04:10 PM »
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  • Interesting that you would leap to dispute that Rose was a jew rather than condemn his statements about Our Lady of Fatima and St. Francis, maybe the greatest of all Catholic saints. It says a lot about your allegiances.
    Idiot. I, also, asked for your sources about his alleged statements on Marian apparitions & St. Francis. Once there is proof, I will render the condemnation. Do you even logic, brah?
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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #63 on: March 15, 2025, 05:16:05 PM »
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  • Idiot. I, also, asked for your sources about his alleged statements on Marian apparitions & St. Francis. Once there is proof, I will render the condemnation. Do you even logic, brah?
    Have you heard of an internet search engine? This took 5 whole seconds to find regarding his statements on St. Francis. You must have attended public schools.

    https://www.orthodoxethos.com/post/francis-of-assisi-the-pseudo-saint-part-ii

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #64 on: March 15, 2025, 05:20:11 PM »
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  • Have you heard of an internet search engine? This took 5 whole seconds to find regarding his statements on St. Francis. You must have attended public schools.

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #65 on: March 17, 2025, 01:30:47 PM »
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  • Jay Dyer used to be a Dimondite, and was even going to join their "monastery" at one point.  He was a sedevacantist for years. He knows their position and it's arguments far better than the Dimonds know Orthodoxy.  He won't debate them, but I forget why. I want to say that they never responded to his request to debate years ago, but I could be wrong.  I also believe they refuse to debate him in return, probably saying he is "of bad will," which appears to be their evaluation of anyone more educated than themselves.

    Ubi Petrus, however, who has several refutation videos of Dimondite claims, has publicly challenged them to a debate recently. I would certainly watch it, but even just watching the Dimond videos vs th Ubi videos, it shows that Fred and Bob are seriously outclassed.  A debate against Bishop Sanborn would be far more interesting.

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #66 on: March 17, 2025, 01:51:00 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what the point would be of such a debate. The two sides have been dug in for a thousand years and wiser, holier men haven't been able to bridge the differences. 
    We think the evidence is conclusive for papal supremacy and the other side doesn't. Now we have a situation where
    we even question the validity of popes back to VII. Not very good optics we have to deal with.
    I'd rather see a discussion about what both sides can agree about regarding those pesky red sea pedestrians, because they intend to have us all in another bloodbath.  

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #67 on: March 24, 2025, 07:23:54 AM »
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  • The Ex-Catholic Orthodox that masquerade as Catholics and try to introduce doubts about the Papacy and legitimatimacy of the Catholic Faith in the weaker and less educated people on sites like this are trying to calm their own screaming conscience. There is a crisis in the Church and because they cant figure everything out by relying on their own intelligence and not trusting that Christ will care for His Church, they jump ship. To cope with their conscience that bothers them, they have to go on the Internet, regurgitate arguments that have been dealt with many times, and try to drag other Catholics to Hell with them to make themselves feel better.
    I'm not gonna comment on anything else on this thread because I said I wouldn't argue for Orthodoxy here, and I stand by that promise.  With that being said this is just an incredibly uncharitable assumption IMO.  It seems far more reasonable to believe that these Orthodox are trying to bring Catholics to Orthodoxy because they believe its true, even if it is in fact mistaken.  Just as is the case the other way around.  I don't assume that Orthos who convert to Catholicism are trying to drag souls into hell on purpose.  Why would I assume that?  

    Now, TBH, I do think as far as it goes that advocacy of Orthodoxy is outside the scope of this forum (the only reason I am a member here is because I was Catholic in good standing when I joined).  But even there, I would assume people are just in their view putting their concern for souls over the rules of the forum.  Assuming they actually want people to go to Hell is *really* uncharitable, and I doubt it.


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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #68 on: March 25, 2025, 08:14:04 AM »
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  • I'm not gonna comment on anything else on this thread because I said I wouldn't argue for Orthodoxy here, and I stand by that promise.  With that being said this is just an incredibly uncharitable assumption IMO.  It seems far more reasonable to believe that these Orthodox are trying to bring Catholics to Orthodoxy because they believe its true, even if it is in fact mistaken.  Just as is the case the other way around.  I don't assume that Orthos who convert to Catholicism are trying to drag souls into hell on purpose.  Why would I assume that? 

    Now, TBH, I do think as far as it goes that advocacy of Orthodoxy is outside the scope of this forum (the only reason I am a member here is because I was Catholic in good standing when I joined).  But even there, I would assume people are just in their view putting their concern for souls over the rules of the forum.  Assuming they actually want people to go to Hell is *really* uncharitable, and I doubt it.
    You are correct of course.  But what do you expect?  Trads can't even show the minimum of charity towards one another, especially on this website; let alone the Orthodox.  The commandment of Christ not to judge others has been largely if not entirely rejected in tradistan... a scary thing since Christ God also said that we will be judged by the same measure with which we judge others.  They seem to thunk that as long as they don't wish another to go to hell, all is fair game.

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #69 on: March 26, 2025, 05:52:47 PM »
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  • Jay Dyer used to be a Dimondite, and was even going to join their "monastery" at one point.  He was a sedevacantist for years. He knows their position and it's arguments far better than the Dimonds know Orthodoxy.  He won't debate them, but I forget why. I want to say that they never responded to his request to debate years ago, but I could be wrong.  I also believe they refuse to debate him in return, probably saying he is "of bad will," which appears to be their evaluation of anyone more educated than themselves.

    Ubi Petrus, however, who has several refutation videos of Dimondite claims, has publicly challenged them to a debate recently. I would certainly watch it, but even just watching the Dimond videos vs th Ubi videos, it shows that Fred and Bob are seriously outclassed.  A debate against Bishop Sanborn would be far more interesting.
    Yeah. No. Jew Cryer was never a Dimondite. Nor a Sedevacantist. Nor a would-be member of their monastery. And he refuses to this day to accept Br. Peter's debate challenge. The douche even lost to that self-proclaimed Walmart Thomist. 

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #70 on: March 26, 2025, 05:55:09 PM »
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  • That's what I thought. No sources.
    Calumny is a sin.
    Look up Miles Mathis. He recently published a detailed expose on Lady Sephardim Rose. 


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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #71 on: March 27, 2025, 02:13:29 AM »
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  • Yeah. No. Jew Cryer was never a Dimondite. Nor a Sedevacantist. Nor a would-be member of their monastery. And he refuses to this day to accept Br. Peter's debate challenge. The douche even lost to that self-proclaimed Walmart Thomist.
    Lol.  Just making stuff up, huh?  I'm happy to ignore the awkward and filthy name calling, but why deny the fact thay Jay was a sedevacantist and a feeney/dimondite?  That's just weird.  Is this kind of like denying that the bishop of Rome can be a heretic when it's literally staring you in the face?  I understand the latter: denying reality when it falsifies religious presuppositions is common enough.  But why deny a simple fact about someone's history, especially when that fact is rather embarrassing to begin with?

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #72 on: March 27, 2025, 02:34:55 AM »
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  • Photius was the first person to lead the Eastern Orthodox away from Orthodoxy when he rejected the "Filioque" despite the Early Church Fathers believing it. The problems of Eastern Orthodoxy only worsened with shady characters like Gregory Palamas (who split God The Father into 2 separate parts) and Mark of Ephesus (who denied Purgatory) continuing to destroy the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #73 on: March 27, 2025, 02:42:21 AM »
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  • Is this even a suggestion. Dimonds would destroy jay and he would just start  :'(:'(:'( about how they don’t have the nous or don’t understand the transcendental argument or something gotta agree with illyricuм sacrum here, he couldn’t even beat Christian b fagner in a debate
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    Re: Debate That Will Split The Atom
    « Reply #74 on: March 27, 2025, 09:30:37 AM »
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  • Look up Miles Mathis. He recently published a detailed expose on Lady Sephardim Rose.
    Just post the link. If you make a claim, then the burden of proof is on you to back it up with a citation of some sort. Also, post a link proving Jay Dyer is a jew as you claim.
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