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Offline Zenith

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« on: October 07, 2011, 02:57:20 AM »
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  • There are a few old fashioned dating practices that seem to have gone out the window and I was wondering what your thoughts are on them.

    The first is the Chaperone.
    Is it out dated and no longer needed? My thoughts are that dating should only be carried out when you are mature and serious enough about marriage.
    So having said that, I think that if a couple need someone to watch them on a date, then they should not be dating. They should just stick to group/friend gatherings.

    It seems a little weird if you taking a girl out to dinner and there is someone watching you. What are your thoughts on this?


    The second is kissing.
    I always thought that kissing was ok as long as it was not passionate and it was just a quick peck.

    What are your thoughts?
    Is kissing ok when you are dating?
    Is kissing ok only when you are engaged?
    Should kissing be kept until marriage?

    I think I am leaning towards saving it until marriage.


    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 05:04:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zenith
    The first is the Chaperone.
    Is it out dated and no longer needed? My thoughts are that dating should only be carried out when you are mature and serious enough about marriage.
    So having said that, I think that if a couple need someone to watch them on a date, then they should not be dating. They should just stick to group/friend gatherings.


    I agree with you here. I think, of course, that the couple should be wise to protect themselves to be in areas where, if they don't have a chaperone, that they are in public areas constantly. Not that people don't practicaly fornicate in public nowadays :barf: but they should do what they can to protect themselves from getting too physically 'comfy'.

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    The second is kissing.
    I always thought that kissing was ok as long as it was not passionate and it was just a quick peck.

    What are your thoughts? I agree- okay, if just a peck. No open mouth/ tounge (sorry to be graphic).
    Is kissing ok when you are dating? Depends.
    Is kissing ok only when you are engaged? Not necessarily.

    Should kissing be kept until marriage? I don't think so, personally. I think kissing can be a sign of affection that, while it can be used improperly and most often is, can also be innocent. It depends on the couple, their maturity, and their mentality all together; which is why its hard to give a definitive answer.

    So I think that if a couple is a mature one (not only in age but in the soul), and they want to show an innocent, non-sɛҳuąƖ, sign of affection towards one another, a simple, quick, kiss is harmless and cute.

    I always think of Shakespeare when thinking of affection during dating:

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    Good pilgrim, you do wrong your hand too much,
    Which mannerly devotion shows in this,
    For saints have hands that pilgrims' hands do touch,
    And palm to palm is holy palmers' kiss.


    Offline Stephen Francis

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    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 07:46:39 AM »
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  • First of all, 'dating' is a modernist idea that has no root in Scripture or in history.

    Courting is a time-honored and MUCH respected tradition around the world; courting gives a young lady's PARENTS the opportunity to spend time with the young man in question, who will ALREADY have been recognized as a good citizen, responsible worker and gentleman.

    The young man is to ASK PERMISSION of the young woman's father to court his daughter. Literally, the idea comes from a knight presenting himself at the COURT of the King, thereby subjecting himself to the King's ruling on his fitness for an important task.

    In short, dating is an avenue for Satan to tempt you and your 'date' to get away with as much as he can trick you into. Courting, on the other hand, is something that involves the WHOLE of your families, and is Biblically and historically endorsed (young man is chosen as suitable for a man's daughter, they are engaged, he goes and prepares their home, the wedding ceremony takes place, he then comes and takes her to their new, common home and the marriage is consummated; then the feast begins. Also, pretty much what is happening in history between Christ and His Bride, the Church). Read up on the traditional practices surrounding courting and I believe you'll see all its benefits over against modernist 'dating' rituals.

    Chaperones, by the way, were an integral part of a young lady's behavioral training; Christians were told as young women to treat their chaperone as if he or she were Christ Himself accompanying her on her outings. There was a time when one would NEVER see a young, unmarried woman out in public WITHOUT a chaperone. Those who ventured out without one were running the risk of being assumed to be a loose woman. Of course, the loose practices of many women these days exist precisely BECAUSE they are permitted to go out acting as their own caretakers. It's shameful that so many fathers allow their daughters to be alone wherever they go; even the most chaste and dignified fathers these days allow their girls to go out alone and have to face all the insults to their dignity that are surely out there. Fathers used to send chaperones with their daughters everywhere JUST SO they could be shielded from the more unsavory types and sights in the cities. It should be no less important today to shield our ladies from such filth. 'Dating', on the other hand, leaves the young unmarrieds at the reins of their impulses and untrained passions, which is only ever dangerous, and leaves the young people exposed to sights, sounds and people that they might not be savvy enough to avoid.

    Kissing is described in three ways in Scripture:

    1) ILLICIT kissing, as in the kissing of the whorish woman and the stupid young man in the Proverbs.

    2) LICIT and God-honoring, as in the intimacies of the Lover and His Beloved in the Canticle of Canticles.

    3) the HOLY kiss, as a gesture of greeting, parting and Christian solidarity, mentioned in the Epistles of St. Paul.

    Only ONE of those instances involves men and women in a manner that is pleasing to God; the other is of people who are NOT married, and the third is not an intimate kiss but rather a social custom that was carried on and encouraged by the Church as HOLY rather than as immoral.

    I believe I read somewhere that the 'kiss on both cheeks' practice evolved because Christians would greet one another with ONE kiss on a cheek, and then the other because Christ enjoins us to 'turn the other cheek'. The double-cheek kiss was a reminder to continually be prepared to turn the other cheek AND to accept whatever is aimed AT those cheeks, whether it be for blessing or for humiliation. Even if what I read was not entirely correct, I'd like to think that such a mindset is a good thing to have when dealing with greeting one another with a 'holy kiss'.

    St. Gemma Galgani, holy virgin of Christ, pray for us.

    Mary, Spotless Spouse of the Holy Ghost, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 09:22:42 AM »
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  • Courting is practiced by Traditional Catholics rather than the modern-world mindset of dating. The parent chaperoning is primarily a way for parents to make sure that not too much goes on between the couple when dating, if you know what I mean. Couples 30 and over probably don't need chaperones since most single people that age live on their own anyway, but younger people (especially teenagers) need them. I think the couple should be entitled to some brief alone time a few times, provided they prove they can be trusted to behave themselves when alone.

    As far as kissing, I personally feel it should be reserved for marriage. Perhaps a kiss on the cheek would be acceptable when the couple is engaged, but no kissing until marriage, I say.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 10:14:13 AM »
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  • In movies or operas that try to faithfully depict the past, the kiss of the chaste courtship is shown as a kind of solemn seal and promise.