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Offline Lybus

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« on: May 15, 2009, 07:19:53 PM »
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  • Being in a pagan school that advocates not-so-catholic friendly advice on girlfriend/boyfriend tactics/activties, I thought I might ask for a bit of advice here. I am graduating from highschool, and I have neverhad a girlfriend. This was partly because I was not trusting of myself, and what I might do, but mostly because I simply did not have any good catholic girls to really go out with.
    And now I have my eyes on a few traditional catholic girls, most of them homeschooled, and trad catholics all their lives. I, unfortuantely, have not been. Plus, I go to a secular school, and have had no real chance toj really see it for what it is. Therefore, this is where you all come in. How do I go about courting a trad catholic girl? I'm a pretty good looking guy, muscular, so my looks aren't a problem. It's mostly my lack of confidence in this particular situation, and with girls in general. Any advice?

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 07:43:26 PM »
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  • First of all I will tell you what I tell my own children, you are not of an age to worry about marriage so courtship (not dating) is not something to give so much thought to.
    Now then, where do you run into these youing ladies and their families? Church? If so then there must be some sort of time when the parishioners meet together to talk, perhaps over coffee,you know. Introduce yourself.
    Most of all study your faith. You must devote yourself to knowing why you are a Catholic and what it means to be a Catholic husband and father. Read the story of St. Therese of Liseux mother and father. Pray to Saint Joseph and when it is the right time things will move in the direction God has planned.
    I would also suggest asking Saint Joseph to guard your purity. The world has declared an all out war against young men with the constant assault on your eyes and purity.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009, 07:49:12 PM »
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  • I don't think a young man who is not in a position to support a family should be courting at all. (I  think perhaps you mentioned heading to college after HS.) When you meet Miss Right, things might move along quickly and it won't be long before you're the head of a household. Matthew and I married 9 months after we first met (and that's with having met online and being 1200 miles apart). Our son was born 11 months after that. So, in 20 months, he went from being a single bachelor to supporting a wife and kid.

    As a Catholic, the idea of finding someone and then waiting until you're financially able to marry is just a long series of occassions of sin for the both of you. So, I would change the "things might move quickly" which I said above to "things SHOULD move somewhat quickly." I know this is bad advice for most young people as they let their feelings choose their spouse and then suffer for it later in life. But, you sound (at least right now) capable of waiting for the truly right person to come along--the one God intends for you to be with.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 04:16:31 PM »
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  • How unfortunate to hear the sad, sad truth. You all are right. As an 18 year old, my mind is ravaged with impurities. But, one thing is nice. It seems that what you all said coincides with what my priest said; wait until I have matured, which is usually 21-25.
    Will I be able to hold out for that long? Saint Joseph will let me know!

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #4 on: May 18, 2009, 03:03:59 PM »
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  • another point to take into consideration is that the average time it takes to really get acclamated to the culture of the faith is about four to six years - at least in St. Mary's that was the unwritten amount of time given before young people were considered even eligible to be dated if they were of age - and it makes sense why someone who grew up traditional Catholic would give a convert time to get all their theological and Catholic social principles in order - no one would want to get married to a convert only to find out, surprise! they have this one issue with the faith.  So you figure by the time you are done with cellege you will be ready, but hey, are you so sure that you don't have a vocation?


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    « Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 08:56:12 PM »
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  • In all technicality, I am old enough to marry. I'm just not financially able yet. I will be soon, though.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 11:03:26 PM »
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  • I would advise you to exercise caution. Recall, that the saints have told us to lower our eyes, and in their own times, women all dressed like nuns for the most part. I believe they would be horrified if they lived in our times. In other words, a traditional Catholic lady is no less a source of temptation than an immodestly clad youth.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 11:37:13 PM »
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  • In my country people do this:

    a marriage has two parts: 1-the man and the woman are made husband and wife. they are canonically married.

    2-they begin to live as spouses.

    Many people do the first step and before going to the second one they wait 1 or 2 years, in which any of two parties lives with their parents. So that the groom may have time to buy a house and bride to prepare her dowry. In the space between thse 2 steps, they meet each other almost daily and exchange gifts, but usually don't consumate their marriage.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 11:41:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
    In my country people do this:

    a marriage has two parts: 1-the man and the woman are made husband and wife. they are canonically married.

    2-they begin to live as spouses.

    Many people do the first step and before going to the second one they wait 1 or 2 years, in which any of two parties lives with their parents. So that the groom may have time to buy a house and bride to prepare her dowry. In the space between thse 2 steps, they meet each other almost daily and exchange gifts, but usually don't consumate their marriage.


    The concept of "falling in love" is actually a recent novelty. Before, children were betrothed at birth often times.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 07:29:04 PM »
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  • My priest was talking about that. Sounds so bizarre, I only know from the movies of how it is usually shunned, like in Fiddler on the Roof. I suppose if the families have known each other for generations, it's alright. But in today's world, since we are so disconnected from other families and always moving about, uprooting ourselves, we have to, "Fall in love" per se. It's up to us to find the right spouse, not our parents anymore.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 11:21:04 PM »
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  • I am in the exact same position as yourself.
    My high school has been insane. I am one of the last virgins left. I am going to a conservative Catholic college next fall and I hope I will remain inline. I have a wild streak though, I like to have a few pints, and I like women. I am slightly worried about my ability to resist temptation any longer. The prospect of having to wait 10 more years is horrifying....
    "Short swallow-flights of song, that dip
    Their wings in tears, and skim away."
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    « Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 01:56:49 PM »
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  • I would say that probably the first thing single people need to do today, is to think long and hard about what it is they're getting into. I have heard of a priest who now refuses to marry anyone he believes is just "starry-eyed" because he knows the Church has been granting annulments like they are Catholic divorces, on the grounds of "we were too immature". And frankly, I applaud him for at least being ONE person to take the marriage seriously!

    The fact is, many people, even many Catholics, while they realize in some sense that marriage is for children, and what not, they still have mostly the worldly idea of the whole thing. Most people retain the idea of marriage as just getting together and raising kids like dogs are raised: you feed and shelter them, and let nature take care of the rest. Not so, in the Catholic idea of marriage.

    The Catholic idea is roughly that you will both be giving 100% of yourselves, sacrificing and nailing yourselves to the cross that is marriage, in order to raise souls for God and heaven, and to get there yourselves. The duties of the man will be to act as the head of the house, and in some sense, the spiritual head of the family, too.

    From the beginning, this concept in itself changes the criteria for marriage partners. Is the woman willing to submit to the man's decisions? Or is she brainwashed with feminist ideas of the woman as the head and master? Is the man educated in the faith enough to lead in that department? Or is the woman educated in it enough to teach the children, and the man willing to learn and live what he learns in DEED? What will become of the SOULS of the children? How will they be shielded by their Catholic parents from the damning effects of public schools, the media and what not?

    There are countless considerations Catholics ought to have when considering "falling in love" because this is the reality of marriage. It's not 50-50, it's 100-100, and it's not about the two people themselves, but about God and the souls they will be asked by God to raise for him. Those souls will need not only food and clothing, but affection, attention, education, the Faith... food for their minds and SOULS, and yes... food for their HEARTS, too.

    Where does today's dysfunctional youth come from? The parents now have no concept of RAISING children. Just having them and letting them get bigger, and do what they want. Very few have even known the love, or any kind of real interaction with their parents. They grow up, and then do the same to their children. But children have hearts and, and they need attention and love as much as anything. All of this requires the couple to give, give, give. Are people prepared for that reality? And it's not over when they're out of diapers. You have to deal with them, their needs, and your duties toward them until they leave your house, essentially.

    Women must be prepared to be mothers... Mothers of children, not mothers of dogs for the first 15 years, and then later, way down the road, MAYBE a child or two. They must be MOTHERS of children, not babysitters of them. Babysitters are the young girls who need spare money, so they come over and watch Junior to make sure he doesn't kill himself while mother is gone to work. But she doesn't NURTURE the child. She doesn't give of herself to the child. She doesn't love and teach and interact with and spend quality time with the child for the child's sake. She simply feeds, changes and makes sure the child doesn't kill himself or his siblings. Yet many women, when they become mothers, this is the exact concept they have of being a mother. She is just a full-time babysitter. Nothing more. As though the child has no needs but food and clothing, and to be clean. As though the child had no growing heart or soul or mind to be looked after. But a wife and mother must know these things, and be ready to do them to the best of her ability, not just while they're toddlers, but again, until they leave the house, more or less. Even after, the children should be able to come to their parents for advice or in some cases support or help.

    But today, if children are born, they are simply treated like dogs by both parents. The dad pays for them, the mom makes sure they don't get killed while dad is gone to work. And that's more or less it. Or if they look after them, it's only until the child reaches the point where it can physically look after itself. Then it's like the child is an adult, and the parents think the child has no other needs to be met. They are not sick, they are not dirty, they have food and clothes... okay, they're good. But it's a recipe for a disaster in the mind, heart and soul to raise a child this way. And if you don't know yourself, then you can have no idea the torture in a child's heart, when they get older and come to feel that their parents view them like that... like an animal, who does not or should not have any needs beyond food and clothing, or else they are being selfish and unreasonable or bothersome. As though after the age of 7 or 8, one flips a switch and can turn the heart off simply because they have reached the age of reason.

    So I think people who are thinking of marriage really should sit down and ask themselves what kind of ideas they hold in their heads about what it is going to entail, what it will be like, and most importantly, what is the TRUTH of the matter? What is REALLY necessary? What are REALLY going to be your duties and obligations, and are you REALLY going to be able to fulfill them? Are you even fit for this state of life? It's not a game, after all. These little souls may go to heaven or hell depending on your success or failures with raising them, and you will have to render an account to God of the job you did.

    Back to mom and dad's qualifications, money is one thing. Maturity in terms of emotions is another. Maturity, in terms of an accurate picture of the reality is still another. A great intellect is something totally different still! Many people confuse being smart with being mature. But there is a great difference! One may be an emotional and psychological midget and be very, very smart intellectually! But a grave lack in any department may be disaster in a marriage. If a smart person marries, and has the emotional mindset or needs of a 7-year-old... what kind of father or mother will that person make, even if they are full of factual knowledge and very able-brained otherwise?

    I would urge people who are thinking about marriage to really think about all of this stuff, and especially... most of all... to really think about the Faith aspect. If you mess up as parents, and your kids don't have the faith to cling to, it's going to be a much bigger mess! It's important that the Faith is a real, deep part of the family life, so that the children do not adopt the sense that religion is just an inconvenient side dish to an atheistic party life. Only if the parents live and breathe the Faith in a natural, real, every-day sort of way, are children going to adopt it in that way, too. All of this is very important.

    If people go into a marriage unprepared, or with a wrong vision of what their duties really mean, or of their obligations, or if they go into it when they themselves are in some way gravely unfit... what can you expect will happen? It would be better to marry late or not at all, than to condemn yourself and the souls of your future children, because you married badly, or without any real concept of what you needed to do in that role.

    The world's concept is dreadfully wrong and utterly empty. It gives nothing to the children but the ability to go on living physically. If the parents do not have the proper attitude, the children end up being nothing but nuisances to the parents' having a good time. And atheists at worst! They are hated and resented by the parents, because they are a bother. Because the parents were not prepared to sacrifice for them. Because they are not important to the parents in the way God meant them to be. A bad marriage is devastating for everyone involved in it. But a Catholic marriage, even if annulled under today's false pretext of "immaturity" (I believe) will still be binding in God's eyes. God said nothing about "as long as you both shall LOVE" or "as long as you're both having a good time". A marriage is permanent. It can never be dissolved in God's eyes. If a marriage DID take place, then it is forever. This means if you were able to make a real marriage in the first place, you're stuck in it. Your excuses 10 years down the road don't count. All that counts is that 10 years earlier, you were both sane, consenting adults who got married in front of a priest. You make your bed, and then you must lie in it!

    If you educate yourself very well in the Faith, and especially upon your future duties as head of the house and as a father, then you will be truly ready. If you go into it the minute you can, simply because you're lonely, chances are you'll just end up being sorry instead. Relationships grounded in emotional necessity of one or both parties are by their very NATURE selfish, and will lead to trouble! It means one or both persons were looking to gratify themselves from the first. Only marriage will require sacrifice, and offer little selfish gratification of this kind. (Even if other kinds of happiness or gratification may result in a good marriage.)

    I remained single because I knew myself to be unfit for the married state. No part of it has been easy. But while many people think I could not possibly know anything about marriage or love because of it, I have definitely noticed the relationships around me, and why they fail or stand. Almost uniformly, they fail or are disasters if one or both parties are either unfit or acting selfishly or without the proper idea of marriage. But I have also seen troubled marriages stand, because the parties knew that they had a duty to fulfill before God, and were selfless enough to do it.

    All I can say in closing is, whatever you do, BE HONEST AND BE REALISTIC! Ask yourself the important questions, and be honest with yourself about the answers. Are you fit for it? Have you a real idea of the duties that are more than those the world teaches? Can you fulfill those obligations? Have you prepared yourself by trying to educate yourself properly about marriage and the Faith? And for the love of humanity, IS THE SAME TRUE OF YOUR POTENTIAL SPOUSE?!

    God guide you! Surely passions won't!
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    « Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 03:37:06 PM »
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  • Dulc, why is it that I always check to see how long your post is before I commit myself to reading it?  :wink:
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    « Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 04:04:12 PM »
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  • Huge Monitor (n). 1. A monitor that barely fits on your desk. 2. A monitor that can fit an entire post of Dulcamara's on the screen -- without scrolling.

    Fortunately I can read fast. I read her essay -- it's very good!

    Would anyone here believe that Dulcamara is a writer?

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    « Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 04:10:07 PM »
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  • I'm with the Ents. "Never say anything unless it is worth taking a looooong time to say."  :laugh1:
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi