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Offline SimpleMan

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I am teaching a half-credit US Government course for my son in homeschool this year (Grade 9) and am in search of a traditional Catholic text that reviews the major founding docuмents of the United States, if such a text exists.  I'd like to find something, fairly accessible to a high school student, or at least something that would allow me to distill down main points into grade-suitable lecture content.

More to the point, I would like to find something that would assist me, in getting the point across, that the foundations of the United States are not totally in accord with traditional Catholicism, that they were basically informed by Protestantism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the so-called "Enlightenment", and deism.  Just today, we "dissected" the preamble to the Declaration of Independence, starting with the error that you cannot speak of "self-evident truths", no, you have to have something to back up your assertions, as well as the likelihood that the "pursuit of happiness" was just something Jefferson threw in at the last minute. 

I know the SSPX is not everyone's favorite entity, but do they have anything that would help me out with this?  I have in mind their "Puritan's Progress" (I hope I'm getting that right), or is there something else as well?  What about publishers other than the SSPX?

Anybody have any ideas?


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Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2021, 12:59:29 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, many of the priests in the US appear to be quasi-Americanists. I was actually thinking about writing such an analysis but haven't had the time.  You'll probably have to read excerpts from Leo XIII on the civil authority, the nature of freedom and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to paint a picture for them.  The fundamental principle of Catholic doctrine that is denied by US governing principles is that all authority comes from God.  In our system, authority originates with the body politic and the will of the people is sovereign in making laws.  This is tantamount to mob rule and a denial that authority comes from God invites the grossest despotism.    


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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2021, 08:55:38 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, many of the priests in the US appear to be quasi-Americanists. I was actually thinking about writing such an analysis but haven't had the time.  You'll probably have to read excerpts from Leo XIII on the civil authority, the nature of freedom and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to paint a picture for them.  The fundamental principle of Catholic doctrine that is denied by US governing principles is that all authority comes from God.  In our system, authority originates with the body politic and the will of the people is sovereign in making laws.  This is tantamount to mob rule and a denial that authority comes from God invites the grossest despotism.   
    I found Volume 1 of Puritans' Progress on Amazon last night and ordered it, very reasonably-priced.  I've got one volume of PP, got at an SSPX chapel's book table (IIRC St Anthony of Padua in Charlotte NC), boxed up here at the house.  I am building Sauder bookshelves with the goal of eventually getting all of my books on shelves, either that or sell/give some of them away, and I am hoping it will turn up.  Now that we are in high school, things are ramping up, and my son is having a bit of "workload shock", but that is just the way it is.  I give him the grades he earns --- "straight As for everyone" is a modern, politically correct concept, so that everyone can "feel good about themselves".

    My mother, as sharp at 90 (91 next month) as many women are at a third of her age, asked me the other day how all of these kids who work at McDonald's, who have no concept of "doing math in one's head", have been through four years of high school math, including algebra.  I don't know.  I do know that the Baltimore city schools have recently said that coming out of school without knowing how to read and write isn't a big deal, because different people are intelligent in different ways, and not all intelligence can be measured by academics (or something like that).  The article below doesn't bring out those assertions, but I know I read that somewhere, I read massive amounts of information and I don't keep notes on everything I've read and where I read it.  Certain groups claim that they "lack self-esteem", and the PC remedy is to boost them in any way possible.  (They seem to have plenty of "self-esteem" if you ask me.  I think someone's peeing on our shoes and telling us it's raining.) 

    Res ipsa loquitur.

    https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-high-schoolers-performing-math-and-reading-at-elementary-level







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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2021, 09:11:09 AM »
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  • "The Star-Spangled Heresy" by Solange Hertz is kind of what you're looking for. It's not a textual analysis of the Declaration from a Catholic standpoint, but it does do a good job outlining the issues with American values in the context of the Catholic faith.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2021, 10:13:10 AM »
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  • If I'm not mistaken, Dr. John Rao might be a good resource on this sort of topic.

    http://jcrao.freeshell.org/

    I don't know if it fits what you're looking for, but here's an example:



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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2021, 10:27:44 AM »
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  • This may be of interest as it has the Catholic history of America prior to 1776 and includes some points about the Constitution,  titled: "When America was Catholic."
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2021, 10:29:53 AM »
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  • Puritan’s Empire by Charles Coulombe may be a helpful book. 

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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2021, 01:46:46 PM »
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  • "The Star-Spangled Heresy" by Solange Hertz is kind of what you're looking for. It's not a textual analysis of the Declaration from a Catholic standpoint, but it does do a good job outlining the issues with American values in the context of the Catholic faith.
    OK, it's coming back to me now.  I've never read it, heard of it, yes, this is the kind of thing I have in mind.

    ETA --- All of the other sources are what I had in mind as well.  Between this and Puritans' Progress, I should be able to put together what I was looking for.  Thanks so much to everyone!


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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2021, 02:50:21 PM »
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  • Another good resource would be The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Errors

    This goes without saying, but although none of these docuмents explicitly reference the Declaration of Independence, there is clear condemnation of the principles found within them. 

    Of course, you could look up the docuмents contained in this book such as the Syllabus of Errors and Mirari Vos on the Internet, but I find having them compiled in one physical text very useful. 



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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2021, 05:44:32 PM »
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  • Another good resource would be The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Errors.

    This goes without saying, but although none of these docuмents explicitly reference the Declaration of Independence, there is clear condemnation of the principles found within them.

    Of course, you could look up the docuмents contained in this book such as the Syllabus of Errors and Mirari Vos on the Internet, but I find having them compiled in one physical text very useful.
    I meant to write The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Docuмents:facepalm:

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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2021, 08:05:52 PM »
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  • Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #11 on: October 21, 2021, 08:37:33 PM »
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  • I meant to write The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Docuмents. :facepalm:


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    Re: Critical Catholic text on Declaration of Independence and Constitution?
    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2021, 08:56:14 PM »
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  • Simpleman , try to get a hold of SOLANGE HERTZ BOOKS she dissects Early America very well. She brings out who's who as far as Masonry goes.