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Offline s2srea

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« on: December 22, 2011, 07:20:42 PM »
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  • "The bodies of the faithful deceased must be buried; and their cremation is re-probated (Canon 1203:1). If a person has in any way ordered that his body be cremated, it is illicit to obey such instruction; and if such a provision occur in a contract, last testament, or in any docuмent whatsoever, it is to be disregarded." (Canon 1203:2).

    Is the Cannon speaking about faithful when it says " If a person has in any way ordered that his body be cremated," or anyone. If my in-laws, (seculars) request this, am I do disregard the wish?


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 08:53:53 PM »
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  • Well, the Church's teaching is that cremation is evil because when the Last Judgement happens, everyone's bodies will be re-united with their souls and will be judged, since our bodies are also responsible for all of our actions on earth. Cremation is just an attempt by Freemasons to disregard the Last Judgement. So you are free to disregard the wish of your family to have you cremated.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 09:00:39 PM »
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  • Yes but am I bound?

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 09:16:18 PM »
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  • From what I understand, yes you are bound. I recommend, however, that you ask your parish priest to be certain.
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    Offline Pyrrhos

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    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 01:10:33 AM »
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  • A "person" in the sense of the Code is somebody subject to the Church, that is the baptized (see Canon 87. "Personae constitutio in Ecclesia"). The laws of the Church, i.e. ecclesiastical laws, do only apply to the faithful.

    Therefore, it seems to me that you are not bound to follow their wish. To make sure, better ask your priest.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus


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    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 03:27:19 AM »
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  • Ummm, I *thought* that historically cremation was allowed quite early in the Church, but once certain Manichaean tendencies crept in that tended to vilify material, like the physical body, and cremation became an expression of this it was forbidden.

    It is also quite a bit easier to violate the dignity of the body when it's cremated. People are prone to spreading ashes over regions, dumping them in oceans, divying them up amongst family, or a combination thereof.

    I always thought for these reasons it was forbidden and subsequently relaxed provided the inherent dignity of the body was not violated (e.g. the remains are kept in an urn/stored properly etc)

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    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 04:50:57 AM »
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  • Cremation was earlier forbidden because it was an attempt by non-Catholics and heretics to deny the resurrection of the body. The Church now allows it. Christians today who choose to cremate their bodies are not doing it because of denial of the resurrection. Unfortunately, unlike the past when it did not cost that much to bury a person, burying someone the traditional way can be very expensive. A lot of people cannot afford to bury the traditional way. That is why the Church has allowed cremation for financial reasons. But like Iuvenalis said, there are guidelines. You can not do it to deny the resurrection of the body and you can not disperse the ashes or keep them in a vase in your home. Ashes of a deceased must be buried in consecrated ground or consecrated cyrpt.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 09:25:57 AM »
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  • Sorry, meant to say you are not bound to follow their wish.
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    « Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 12:29:09 AM »
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  • I recall writing my priest (Traditional) about cremation specifically when the person that is dead has a still communicable disease that can affect the water, food supply. He stated that it is allowed only in those circuмstances.

    He gave me Canon Code but I never remembered it. Just his answer. Just thought I'd throw it out there...

    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 06:24:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alex
    Cremation was earlier forbidden because it was an attempt by non-Catholics and heretics to deny the resurrection of the body. The Church now allows it.


    Since when?

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    Christians today who choose to cremate their bodies are not doing it because of denial of the resurrection.  


    Because Benedict XVI doesn't deny the resurrection of the body?  Or maybe because he says St. Paul is not referring to the restoration of physical bodies, that cremation is therefore okay?  Doesn't contradict St. Paul?


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    « Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 12:15:40 PM »
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  • Right- I was a little confused as well with that Alex. Who are you referring to (as an authority) in this matter?


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 04:20:13 PM »
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  • Alex is right about one thing: the (conciliar) church allows cremation. The Church always forbid cremation until...you guessed it, Vatican II.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 11:10:06 PM »
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  • There is nothing intrinsically wrong with cremation. The Church forbade it because it was purposely done to deny the resurrection.

    God can resurrect the body of a cremated person as well as the body of a fully buried person. Bodies buried the traditional way will eventually turn to dust anyway, the same way the cremated is all dust now.

    A person who burns alive that nothing is left of him except dust is just like a cremated person.

    The Church only denied it because it was a blatant attempt by non-Catholics to deny the resurrection. As long as you are not cremating for that purpose, it is allowed. Nowadays, a lot of people can not afford to bury the traditional way. That is why the Church allowed it, under the strict guidelines I mentioned.

    If you can afford the traditional way, that should be done. But if you can't afford the traditional way, the Church has allowed for cremation.

    Not everything that comes out of Vatican II is evil. You sede's make it seem as if every single decision Vatican II has made is wrong.

    You know who a lot of grumbling trads remind me of.



    Except these old men are easier to watch since they are just humoring themselves when they grumble about everything on stage. But you grumble and complain about everything, even the good actions that comes out of the Vatican II.


    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 12:14:20 AM »
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  • Now you're defending cremation?  

    You're going blind.  You have been around VII types too long.  You cannot be around that kind of thing without it rotting your brain.  You need to really think here because your soul is seriously at stake.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 12:21:40 AM »
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  • S2Srea and Spiritus Sanctus are not sedes, so your anti-sede paranoia and Muppet agitprop  :wink: are irrelevant here.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.