I'm hearing more about it, so I was wondering:  What are Traditional Catholics doing today with regards to courtship versus dating?

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A man courts a woman because he's done dating women.  A woman is courted  by a man because she's done dating men.

I think using the word "court" in many circles today would be viewed in a negative manner while using the word "date" would not.

A person should not "date" a person whom he or she would never consider for marriage.  The modern date is an inappropriate near occasion of sin.  On the other hand, a "date" in which a group of people socialize (e.g., the so-called, "double-date" or something of that nature) is not necessarily inappropriate or a near occasion of sin.

On the other hand, if a man asks a woman out for a "date" and this is a woman the man would indeed consent to marry, such could be considered a form of courtship.  But if he is asking a woman for a "date" simply because he doesn't want to do something alone....this is obviously a problem.

In all of this, I am speaking of men and women, not boys and girls.  The modern concept (that seemed to have really picked up steam in the 1950s) of young school-age boys and girls going out on dates, having boyfriends and girlfriends, etc., was, indeed, a recipe for disaster and, I think, was one of the major contributing factors of the outright and very public moral degradation that we find in the 1960s.

I've met and briefly spoken with said Prot group leader. Believe me when I tell you, he is totally against the modern phenomenon of "dating", and I think his idea of courtship would be accepted in any decent person's home, let alone that of a faithful Catholic.

I digress...

Less than 100 years ago, it would have been absolutely unthinkable for the average SECULAR citizen to allow their unmarried daughter to go about in public unaccompanied. The Catholic family would have insisted upon a chaperone, if not a parent, whenever a young lady was out and about.

I've been reading a book called "The Devil's Final Battle", about the Fatima apparitions and the Third Part of the Secret. In that book, then-Cardinal Ratzinger (no shock here) is quoted as saying (my paraphrase) that "countries like Spain and Portugal were basically backwards for decades because, (ed: as faithful Catholic countries) they were living under a social and religious order that was outdated and repressive".

In short, the society of a place like Spain, where the poorest man's daughter would have been guarded like nobility against occasions of sin or inappropriate associations or environments, was "backwards" according to Ratzinger, who allowed fαɢɢօtry, pedophilia and the degradation of the entire social order to take place on his watch while he pretended to be a clergyman.

Put yourself and your children in the position of being allowed to participate in the flesh-parade of the 'dating' world, and you're sinning and leading them to sin. End of story.

By the way, a 'date' is just that. It's an appointment. People set DATES for weddings, parties, dental work, etc. On THIS day, at THIS time, I EXPECT to do this or that.

What, then, is a 'date' between two unmarried people? On THIS date, we EXPECT to do this, that or the other thing, with or without the assumed prospect of future 'dates'. That, quite simply, opens the door to attitudes which say "get it while the getting is good" because 'dates' don't go on forever.

Asking a young lady for a 'date' is nothing short of asking her if she's attracted to you physically and in the most shallow personal ways enough that she might want to spend some time alone with you.

Courting, on the other hand, is the process of a man presenting himself NOT FIRST (or not primarily) to the DAUGHTER, but to the FATHER AND MOTHER (and grandparents, if they live together), in order that the man might get to know the entire immediate family, and vice versa. The importance of learning one another's habits, family traditions, social skills, political and religious opinions, etc CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH!!!

No man who values his health, his reputation or his soul will EVER approach my daughters without my permission. To do so would be to invite not only getting his ears slapped, but to invite my informing of his family and the families of those I associate with of his uncouth intentions.

A 'date' is what you make to get your teeth cleaned. COURTING is just that; preparing yourself to approach the COURT (i.e. the family and associates) of your superior, a gentleman. In the old days you 'courted' for the purpose of determining your worth and fitness for a position either IN the noble's court or for a position of privileged service in the realm.

That's what courtship is is my world. Applying for a singular position and responsibility: co-laboring with me in the flowering and protection of my precious gifts from Our Lord, and ultimately taking on their entire well-being once I have gone to my rest.

Anything less is an offense to chastity and an insult to St. Joseph, who guarded the chastity and innocence of Our Lady to his dying day in this world, and does so to this day in Heaven.

Holy virgin saints, pray for us.

St. Dominic Savio, model of sanctified youth, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

I've met and briefly spoken with said Prot group leader. Believe me when I tell you, he is totally against the modern phenomenon of "dating", and I think his idea of courtship would be accepted in any decent person's home, let alone that of a faithful Catholic.

I digress...

Less than 100 years ago, it would have been absolutely unthinkable for the average SECULAR citizen to allow their unmarried daughter to go about in public unaccompanied. The Catholic family would have insisted upon a chaperone, if not a parent, whenever a young lady was out and about.

I've been reading a book called "The Devil's Final Battle", about the Fatima apparitions and the Third Part of the Secret. In that book, then-Cardinal Ratzinger (no shock here) is quoted as saying (my paraphrase) that "countries like Spain and Portugal were basically backwards for decades because, (ed: as faithful Catholic countries) they were living under a social and religious order that was outdated and repressive".

In short, the society of a place like Spain, where the poorest man's daughter would have been guarded like nobility against occasions of sin or inappropriate associations or environments, was "backwards" according to Ratzinger, who allowed fαɢɢօtry, pedophilia and the degradation of the entire social order to take place on his watch while he pretended to be a clergyman.

Put yourself and your children in the position of being allowed to participate in the flesh-parade of the 'dating' world, and you're sinning and leading them to sin. End of story.

By the way, a 'date' is just that. It's an appointment. People set DATES for weddings, parties, dental work, etc. On THIS day, at THIS time, I EXPECT to do this or that.

What, then, is a 'date' between two unmarried people? On THIS date, we EXPECT to do this, that or the other thing, with or without the assumed prospect of future 'dates'. That, quite simply, opens the door to attitudes which say "get it while the getting is good" because 'dates' don't go on forever.

Asking a young lady for a 'date' is nothing short of asking her if she's attracted to you physically and in the most shallow personal ways enough that she might want to spend some time alone with you.

Courting, on the other hand, is the process of a man presenting himself NOT FIRST (or not primarily) to the DAUGHTER, but to the FATHER AND MOTHER (and grandparents, if they live together), in order that the man might get to know the entire immediate family, and vice versa. The importance of learning one another's habits, family traditions, social skills, political and religious opinions, etc CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH!!!

No man who values his health, his reputation or his soul will EVER approach my daughters without my permission. To do so would be to invite not only getting his ears slapped, but to invite my informing of his family and the families of those I associate with of his uncouth intentions.

A 'date' is what you make to get your teeth cleaned. COURTING is just that; preparing yourself to approach the COURT (i.e. the family and associates) of your superior, a gentleman. In the old days you 'courted' for the purpose of determining your worth and fitness for a position either IN the noble's court or for a position of privileged service in the realm.

That's what courtship is is my world. Applying for a singular position and responsibility: co-laboring with me in the flowering and protection of my precious gifts from Our Lord, and ultimately taking on their entire well-being once I have gone to my rest.

Anything less is an offense to chastity and an insult to St. Joseph, who guarded the chastity and innocence of Our Lady to his dying day in this world, and does so to this day in Heaven.

Holy virgin saints, pray for us.

St. Dominic Savio, model of sanctified youth, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Hear! Hear! :applause: :applause: :applause:

Applying for a singular position and responsibility: co-laboring with me in the flowering and protection of my precious gifts from Our Lord, and ultimately taking on their entire well-being once I have gone to my rest.

Your intentions are good but seriously IMO  this is a recipe for making sure your daughters become old maids and/or setting them up to have close relationships with men outside of marriage. A man with good intentions does not want to court a father and your daughter is under his authority when she is in his household. It's natural for your adult daughter to want to belong to a man, it could be a moral disaster if you try to buck that.

would NOT have to meet with my approval is what is ridiculous.

How and why would they have to meet with your approval?

That last question was patently ridiculous.

I refuse to subject my choices before God to an inquisition of Modernist compromise.

oh PLEASE!

According to the laws of the Church, nothing modernist, they do NOT REQUIRE YOUR APPROVAL to be married.  You are laboring under Protestant error on this question.

Leo XIII:

It is also a great blessing that the Church has limited, so far as is needful, the power of fathers of families, so that sons and daughters, wishing to marry, are not in any way deprived of their rightful freedom;

St. Thomas Aquinas:

 The maid is in her father's power, not as a female slave without power over her own body, but as a daughter, for the purpose of education. Hence, in so far as she is free, she can give herself into another's power without her father's consent, even as a son or daughter, since they are free, may enter religion without their parent's consent.

again:

Nevertheless man is bound to obey his fellow-man in things that have to be done externally by means of the body: and yet, since by nature all men are equal, he is not bound to obey another man in matters touching the nature of the body, for instance in those relating to the support of his body or the begetting of his children. Wherefore servants are not bound to obey their masters, nor children their parents, in the question of contracting marriage or of remaining in the state of virginity or the like.

Kindly refrain from discussing any further my family's convictions concerning the idea of courtship and I will excuse the filthy and denigrating questions and comments that have been directed toward me.

Filthy and denigrating questions?  Someone is being very defensive.

You need to face reality.  Once your daughters are of age they can marry anyone they want to marry, for better or worse.  Now they should hear you out but it would be very unwise to operate under the delusion that it is your decision.  That's certainly not the Catholic view, in any event.