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Offline jman123

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« on: December 20, 2011, 04:40:02 PM »
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    Would these rules of courtship be relevant today especially among Trads?


    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 05:54:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
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    Would these rules of courtship be relevant today especially among Trads?


    You would be more apt to read accounts of the time rather than dubious social histories.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=BTsKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA190&dq=rules+of+courtship&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HiDxTv-hBon30gGU-t2oAg&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=rules%20of%20courtship&f=false


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    « Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 06:00:10 PM »
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  • I am convinced today's social historians are more interested in letting us see the version of the pas they want us to see rather than what is  recorded at that time.

    While the writers of the time may have wanted to see the world the way victorians saw it, I nevertheless trust them far more to be objective and to not be so obsessively interested in subverting traditional values.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 09:12:46 PM »
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  • Victorian thinkers may not have been AS wrong, but wrong is wrong, we need to think with the Church, not cherry-pick among atheist or Protestant thinkers.  Even if Catholic priests are wrong about certain things, as many American priests were, it should be kept in mind.

    What disturbs me about both Victorians, and about even certain priests of the last two centuries, is a blindness about where the Industrial Revolution was heading, a sort of "steampunk" optimism about technology and so-called progress, when they should have been counselling people, in my opinion, to not try to keep up with the Joneses, to have a more extreme reaction against the modern world, as trads do now with home-schooling.... This should have been taught LONG ago.  

    I have a book from the 40's or so where one priest says "To live like a human being these days, you have to borrow money."  Nice apologia for Jєωιѕн usury there!  Why not say "Catholics shouldn't worry about being as rich as the immoral and godless hordes who they will have to work with, they should learn to content themselves with much less and not be as materialistic, in order to preserve their souls."  All this is very disturbing, because after the French Revolution it was clear that a Satanic kingdom was being built.  Masonic influence clearly got into the priesthood.  I'm not talking about Masonic infiltrators, I mean the ideology, in some ways, affected even good priests, in that they were seduced, so to speak, by modernity, when they should have been more reactionary.



    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 05:02:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
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    Would these rules of courtship be relevant today especially among Trads?


    It's one thing to be viewed as anachronistic and it's another to be entirely impractical.

    If your ancestors were never Victorian Englishmen adopting those practices is just about as reasonable as saying that you are going to adopt the Chinese engagement process, which is quite preferable to the Western, mind you.

    If you're Chinese, get engaged and married the Chinese way. I.e., When in Rome. Trying to adopt a custom that wasn't in your family to begin with is just ridiculous. It may also just make you a laughingstock or a weirdo.

    That is a different world now. can never go back to it. Just like the times of Confucius are over but there is still a modern application.

    Like his quote: Ask/ponder deep questions, but think with practicality and with application to yourself.