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Offline Tradman

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Consecration will be "too late"?
« on: March 17, 2022, 09:41:41 AM »
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    • I watched a couple of Taylor Marshall videos on the subject of Fatima and Francis' upcoming consecration. TM is repeatedly saying in two separate videos that Sister Lucy says in 1936 "Pray very much for the Holy Father, he will do the consecration of Russia but it will be too late. Nevertheless the Immaculate Heart of Mary will save Russia.  It has been entrusted to Her." 

    I've heard the quote that says it will be late, but never heard the quote that said "too late".  Apparently, Robert Sungenis is also pushing this "too late" thing.  

    If Our Lord's follow up message about the Consecration will be "too late", will anyone want to bother?   

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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #1 on: March 17, 2022, 09:53:29 AM »
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    • Clearly a true consecration will be too late as the errors of Russia have already spread.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #2 on: March 17, 2022, 10:06:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 09:53:29 AM
    Clearly a true consecration will be too late as the errors of Russia have already spread.
    For sure, but the Consecration is supposed to bring peace to the world and "too late" suggests that the promise won't be fulfilled.   
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #3 on: March 17, 2022, 10:08:49 AM »
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    • "Late" or "too late" is offset by Our Lady's consistent message that "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."  I think late/too late relates to Her other temporal warnings - i.e. the world will be infected by communism, the good will be martyred, etc.  In other words, Fatima offered the world peace if Russia was consecrated.  If such is delayed, then there will be consequences.  "Too late" means, in my opinion, too late to avoid suffering, heartache, and agony, which could've been avoided if the Pope had done the consecration 90 years ago, back in the 1930s.

    Similar to a person who puts off their conversion of life until they are old.  Assuming God grants them such graces, they can still get to heaven but they are going to suffer in Purgatory a LOT longer than if they had straightened their life out when young.

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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2022, 10:12:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 17, 2022, 10:08:49 AM
    "Late" or "too late" is offset by Our Lady's consistent message that "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."  I think late/too late relates to Her other temporal warnings - i.e. the world will be infected by communism, the good will be martyred, etc.  In other words, Fatima offered the world peace if Russia was consecrated.  If such is delayed, then there will be consequences.  "Too late" means, in my opinion, too late to avoid suffering, heartache, and agony, which could've been avoided if the Pope had done the consecration 90 years ago, back in the 1930s.

    Similar to a person who puts off their conversion of life until they are old.  Assuming God grants them such graces, they can still get to heaven but they are going to suffer in Purgatory a LOT longer than if they had straightened their life out when young.
    I don't have a problem with "late", or even "too late", but I've never heard "too late" in that quote before.  It's kind of like "faith alone" in scripture.  Words matter.
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2022, 10:23:26 AM »
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    • Yeah, “too late” implies that Our Lady won’t triumph.  That can’t be the correct translation.  
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #6 on: March 17, 2022, 03:23:39 PM »
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    And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. 
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2022, 02:32:33 AM »
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    • The following is taken from Frere Michel's, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Volume 2, p. 464: 


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    THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA
     
        «Then Our Lady said to me: “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”
        «“So numerous are the souls which the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”
        «I gave an account of this to my confessor, who ordered me to write what Our Lord willed to be done.»

        LATER ON, OUR LORD COMPLAINS

        «Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: “They did not want to heed My request!... Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.”»



    Later in the same Volume, Our Lord says:

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    “Make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, they will follow him into misfortune. It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”

    It's not too late. 

    I have also heard that the Pope intends to perform the consecration in union with all the bishops of the world.  I am waiting for confirmation of this. 

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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #8 on: March 18, 2022, 02:42:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanTheo on March 18, 2022, 02:32:33 AM
    I have also heard that the Pope intends to perform the consecration in union with all the bishops of the world.  I am waiting for confirmation of this.

    Confirmed.  The collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, will take place next Friday, March 25, at 5:00PM Rome time.  

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    APOSTOLIC NUNCIATURE 
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    17 March 2022
    URGENT

    Prot. N. 16053/22

    Your Excellency,

    In the context of the tragic events unfolding in Ukraine, the Holy Father, Pope
    Francis will lead an Act of Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart
    of Mary on the Feast of the Annunciation, March 25th next.

    The Holy Father intends to invite each Bishop, or equivalent in law, together with
    his priests, to join in this act of consecration, if possible, at an hour corresponding to 5pm
    Rome time. In the coming days, the Holy Father will address a letter of invitation to the
    Bishops, enclosing the text of the Prayer of Consecration in the various languages. I write
    now, asking you to inform the members of the USCCB and, through them, the priests of
    the various dioceses and eparchies of the country, about the Holy Father's invitation.
    The same information will be shared with the federal authorities in Washington,
    D.C. and with the Diplomatic Corps of this capital. An invitation is being extended to the
    members of the same Corps to attend a Mass offered by Cardinal Wilton Gregory,
    Archbishop of Washington, at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate
    Conception at 12 noon on Friday, March 25th next.

    Grateful for your collaboration, I assure you of my good wishes and remain

    Yours sincerely,

    Christophe Pierre 
    Apostolic Nuncio


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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #9 on: March 18, 2022, 04:43:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanTheo on March 18, 2022, 02:42:05 AM
    Confirmed.  The collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, will take place next Friday, March 25, at 5:00PM Rome time. 
    In the coming days, the Holy Father will address a letter of invitation to the Bishops, enclosing the text of the Prayer of Consecration in the various languages.

    It will be interesting to see "the text".  Will it clearly request the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith? 

    Given it will be shared with federal authorities and the "Diplomatic Corps", I highly doubt it.

    And where is Vigano in all of this?  Has he commented at all? Will he join Bergoglio in his "consecration"?

    This might be where the rubber meets the road.
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2022, 05:50:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 18, 2022, 04:43:01 AM
    In the coming days, the Holy Father will address a letter of invitation to the Bishops, enclosing the text of the Prayer of Consecration in the various languages.

    It will be interesting to see "the text".  Will it clearly request the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith? 

    Given it will be shared with federal authorities and the "Diplomatic Corps", I highly doubt it.

    I highly doubt it too, but a clear request for the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith is not required. All that it is required is the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope and bishops in union with him, which is what will take place.  She will take care of the rest.
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #11 on: March 18, 2022, 08:13:26 AM »
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    • My understanding is that it would be done "late"- not too late. Late meaning that we would not avert any chastisement due us but her Immaculate Heart WILL reign after the consecration.
    I think I wrote it on the forum before, but Lucia quoted Christ from an appartition in Rianjo in 1931 and he said "It is never too late to recourse to Jesus and Mary"

    Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune. It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.’

    later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! …Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #12 on: March 18, 2022, 08:45:24 AM »
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    • This 

     "It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”
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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #13 on: March 18, 2022, 09:46:01 AM »
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    • Thanks, Roman Theo, for the info.  One could easily argue that globally, right NOW, is almost too late.  The world is one disaster (of a possible many) away from complete chaos.  

    I’ll continue to pray that this consecration is pleasing to God, in some way.  We need His help more than ever. 

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    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #14 on: March 18, 2022, 10:30:20 AM »
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    •  The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:
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    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order [not to invite] that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”
    … Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima — Vol. II, p. 555.
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