Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Consecration will be "too late"?  (Read 3011 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline TKGS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5845
  • Reputation: +4693/-490
  • Gender: Male
Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2022, 10:52:52 AM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Too late" merely means that the original consequences of not consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart have already occurred, and, indeed, all of the consequences predicted have already occurred.


    Offline dymphnaw

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 415
    • Reputation: +266/-139
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #16 on: March 18, 2022, 11:23:51 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yeah, “too late” implies that Our Lady won’t triumph.  That can’t be the correct translation
    I thought the words were "..it will be late,".  Obviously for all the people who died in WWII, it is too late  and if this plays out like the request Our Lord made to the king of France, it will be too late to avoid certain horrors but in the end Our Lady's heart will triumph.


    Offline 2Vermont

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 11528
    • Reputation: +6470/-1191
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #17 on: March 18, 2022, 01:55:03 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Louie Verrecchio's comments regarding the "diplomatic" consecration:

    https://akacatholic.com/nuncio-confirms-the-ruse-a-diplomatic-consecration/

    The above refers to his previous entry regarding Russia signing off on the "consecration":

    https://akacatholic.com/breaking-russia-signed-off-on-march-25-consecration/




    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5845
    • Reputation: +4693/-490
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #18 on: March 18, 2022, 04:49:26 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I thought the words were "..it will be late,".  Obviously for all the people who died in WWII, it is too late  and if this plays out like the request Our Lord made to the king of France, it will be too late to avoid certain horrors but in the end Our Lady's heart will triumph.
    You are right on the precise words.  I think it is commentators who are using the adverb modifier.  But the fact remains, that any consecration now is, indeed, too late.

    Offline Lavinsko

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 19
    • Reputation: +9/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #19 on: March 18, 2022, 09:13:30 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • It can't be too late when the errors of Russia are still spreading.  Not just communism, but occultism, Duginism, and controlled gatekeeping through compromised political groups as well.


    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5845
    • Reputation: +4693/-490
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #20 on: March 19, 2022, 06:29:15 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0

  • Offline forlorn

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2521
    • Reputation: +1041/-1106
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #21 on: March 19, 2022, 11:54:04 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I watched a couple of Taylor Marshall videos on the subject of Fatima and Francis' upcoming consecration. TM is repeatedly saying in two separate videos that Sister Lucy says in 1936 "Pray very much for the Holy Father, he will do the consecration of Russia but it will be too late. Nevertheless the Immaculate Heart of Mary will save Russia.  It has been entrusted to Her."

    I've heard the quote that says it will be late, but never heard the quote that said "too late".  Apparently, Robert Sungenis is also pushing this "too late" thing. 

    If Our Lord's follow up message about the Consecration will be "too late", will anyone want to bother? 
    It says Russia will be saved in the very next sentence, so obviously it isn't referring to that. It's simply saying it'll be too late to avoid the errors of Russia spreading.

    Offline Cera

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6533
    • Reputation: +2995/-1565
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #22 on: March 19, 2022, 02:31:07 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation."

    Has anyone heard anything about worldwide reparation? Like fasting? Like public Rosaries?
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary


    Offline Charity

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 885
    • Reputation: +444/-105
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #23 on: March 19, 2022, 04:21:38 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0


  • I've heard the quote that says it will be late, but never heard the quote that said "too late".  Apparently, Robert Sungenis is also pushing this "too late" thing. 

    Apparently, you are referring to a recently published 118 page book by Sungenis, Fatima Fulfilled But Still Foreboding.  Sungenis discusses this work in the below video.  His basic contention is that the Consecration was done by Pius XII, but in an imperfect manner (including the 1952 wording "peoples of Russia" rather than simply "Russia") and with consequently imperfect results and that as far as the Consecration goes it is history, although the full mystery (i.e., the 3rd Secret) of Fatima is still foreboding.

    I am of the impression that most trads who have weighed in on the correctness or lack thereof of Sungenis' conclusions regarding Fatima have utterly failed for whatever reason to actually weigh the evidence Sungenis has presented in determining how he arrived at the conclusions he has.  I say that because I have never seen or heard them reference it in the detailed way Sungenis has.  Rather his conclusions regarding the Consecration seem all too often to be dismissed out of hand because they don't fit the normative trad Fatima narrative, the very narrative which Sungenis wrote extensively about, spoke about, and supported for many years; and the very narrative which he finally came to reject.
    https://www.robertsungenis.org/2021/08/the-meaning-of-catholic-fatima.html

    Fatima Fulfilled but Still Foreboding with Dr. Robert Sungenis


    Offline josefamenendez

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5487
    • Reputation: +4129/-286
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #24 on: March 19, 2022, 07:06:08 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • According to Fake Sister Lucy ll, the consecration was done by JPll just as Our Lady asked!!!
    (So what's this all about, anyway???)

    Holy See: The Consecration of Russia has taken place | Marians of the Immaculate Conception

    Offline Charity

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 885
    • Reputation: +444/-105
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #25 on: March 19, 2022, 08:28:50 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • According to Fake Sister Lucy ll, the consecration was done by JPll just as Our Lady asked!!!
    (So what's this all about, anyway???)

    Holy See: The Consecration of Russia has taken place | Marians of the Immaculate Conception
    Ha, remind me NOT to send them a donation.


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46813
    • Reputation: +27669/-5138
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #26 on: March 19, 2022, 09:00:16 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation."

    Has anyone heard anything about worldwide reparation? Like fasting? Like public Rosaries?

    I don't know.  I think that the notion of "worldwide reparation" refers to the Pope together with all the bishops of the world offering the consecration as the act of reparation.

    Nevertheless, it is very clear that Bergoglio is not doing this as an act of reparation for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary (which was the intent of the consecration) ... including his own outrageous blasphemies ... but rather for the humanitarian/political purposes of stopping the Russian attack on Ukraine.

    [PS:  Verrechio says that it's in reparation for Russia's sins against God.  That's incorrect.  It's in reparation for the world's blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother.  Russia is merely God's instrument for chastising the world over it.]

    In terms of blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother, Bergoglio is a chief culprit:
    https://novusordowatch.org/2019/12/bergoglio-blasphemes-the-immaculate/

    God should strike this man down before he has the temerity to make this consecration in reparation for activities that he proudly engages in.

    Offline trento

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 805
    • Reputation: +228/-144
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #27 on: March 20, 2022, 02:20:04 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Will the sedevacantist, sedeplenist and Bennyvacantist bishops do it together with Francis? :laugh1:

    Offline Cera

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6533
    • Reputation: +2995/-1565
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #28 on: March 20, 2022, 07:11:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Too late" merely means that the original consequences of not consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart have already occurred, and, indeed, all of the consequences predicted have already occurred.
    "Many nations will be annihilated" has not happened yet.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5845
    • Reputation: +4693/-490
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Consecration will be "too late"?
    « Reply #29 on: March 20, 2022, 09:30:59 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Many nations will be annihilated" has not happened yet.
    Of course it has happened.  Many nations were incorporated into the Soviet Union, and when the emerged after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the only thing that is the same is the name--the countries, as they existed, have been annihilated.