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Offline poche

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Confession Under Attack
« on: August 23, 2017, 02:27:44 AM »
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    •  In recent years, some Catholics have been concerned by pushes from governments in locations such as Louisiana and Australia who challenge the secrecy of the sacrament of confession, asking that priests betray the solemnity of penitents’ confessions when they hear of serious crimes in the confessional.
    However, Catholics should not be afraid, because keeping the secrecy of the sacrament of confession is one of the most important promises priests make.
    The code of canon law states that “the sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore it is absolutely forbidden for a confessor to betray in any way a penitent in words or in any manner and for any reason.” Priests who violate this seal of confession are automatically excommunicated.
    Priests take this solemnity of the seal of confession very seriously; these four priests who died protecting it are witnesses to the extreme lengths to which priests are willing to go to protect the seal of confession.

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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #1 on: August 24, 2017, 01:51:34 AM »
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    • St. John Nepomucene
    Born in Bohemia, or what is now the Czech Republic, between 1340 and 1350,  St. John Nepomucene was an example of the protection of sacramental secrecy, being the first martyr who preferred to die rather than reveal the secret of confession.
    When he was Vicar General of the Archdiocese of Prague, the now- saint servedas confessor of Sofia of Bavaria, the wife of King Wenceslaus. The king, who had infamous outbursts of anger and jealousy, ordered the priest to reveal the sins of his wife. The saint's refusal infuriated Wenceslaus, who threatened to kill the priest if he did not tell him his wife’s secrets.
    King Wenceslaus and John Nepomucene came into conflict again when the monarch wanted to seize a convent in order to take its wealth and give it to a relative. The saint prohibited its seizure because those goods belonged to the Church.
    Filled with rage, the king ordered the torture of the saint, whose body was then thrown to the Vltava River in 1393.
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    I heard that the king wanted to know if his wife was cheating on him. Was she? We will never know because John wouldn't tell.  
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2017, 11:52:41 AM »
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    • Skimming through a comparison of the old rite vs the new I do not see that the power to forgive sins is conferred on the "priest", did I miss it?
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 01:41:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on August 24, 2017, 11:52:41 AM
    Skimming through a comparison of the old rite vs the new I do not see that the power to forgive sins is conferred on the "priest", did I miss it?
    The power to forgive sins comes with the order of the priesthood and the faculties that he recieves from his bishop.    
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 11:20:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on August 25, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
    The power to forgive sins comes with the order of the priesthood and the faculties that he recieves from his bishop.    
    So it's an implied power in the NO, not one specifically conferred?
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 11:51:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on August 25, 2017, 11:20:39 AM
    So it's an implied power in the NO, not one specifically conferred?
    It is conferred with the ordination to the priesthood. 
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 12:21:07 AM »
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    • Not according to the rite.  If it is please tell me where because in reading through it I do not find the power to forgive sins conferred. Did I miss it?
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 09:00:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on August 26, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
    Not according to the rite.  If it is please tell me where because in reading through it I do not find the power to forgive sins conferred. Did I miss it?
    If the Catholic Church says that it does then it does.
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #8 on: August 28, 2017, 06:10:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on August 26, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
    Not according to the rite.  If it is please tell me where because in reading through it I do not find the power to forgive sins conferred. Did I miss it?
    You did not miss it.  If the power is conferred, it is merely an implied power...given by a prelate who, himself, is not truly raised to the order of bishop because he is consecrated by a rite that was copied from an Orthodox rite of installation of a bishop in a see.
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    Re: Confession Under Attack
    « Reply #9 on: August 30, 2017, 12:10:24 AM »
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    • St. Mateo Correa Magallanes
    Saint Mateo Correa Magallanes was another martyr of the seal of confession. He was shot in Mexico during the Cristero War for refusing to reveal the confessions of prisoners rebelling against the Mexican government.
    He was born in Tepechitlán in the state of Zacateca on July 22, 1866 and was ordained a priest in 1893. Fr. Matteo served as chaplain in various towns and parishes and was a member of the Knights of Columbus.
    In 1927, the priest was arrested by Mexican army forces under General Eulogio Ortiz. A few days later, the general sent Father Correa to hear the confessions group of people who were to be shot. After Fr. Mateo finished administering the sacrament, the general then demanded that the priest reveal what he had heard.
    Fr. Mateo responded with a resounding “no” and was executed. Currently, his remains are venerated in the Cathedral of Durango.
    He was beatified Nov. 22, 1992 and canonized by St. John Paul II May 21, 2000.

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