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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: poche on July 05, 2014, 03:14:32 AM
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Anglican leaders in Australia have unanimously approved a proposal to abandon the confessional seal, authorizing priests to disclose information about serious crimes such as sɛҳuąƖ abuse.
The General Synod in Australia, meeting on July 2, passed an amendment to the Anglican canon on confessional secrecy. The change must now be approved by individual dioceses, but Anglican leaders said that they would press for that approval.
The confessional seal has been a subject of tense political debate in Australia, with Catholic Church leaders insisting that it is inviolable. Their Anglican counterparts approved a proposal that would allow priests to disclose sins if they involved criminal offenses that would carry a penalty of more than five years' imprisonment, and the penitent had not already confessed to police.
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21916
Be careful what you say to a Protestant minister
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Well, their confessions weren't valid anyway.
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You know what has always baffled me?
Anglican nuns.
:confused1:
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Valid or not, do they really think people are going to confess anything criminal without the seal?
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How often do Anglicans go to "confession" anyway? In Anglicanism, the mantra is "everyone may go, some should go, no one must go." It's technically required in the NO, and barely anyone goes there.
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How often do Anglicans go to "confession" anyway? In Anglicanism, the mantra is "everyone may go, some should go, no one must go." It's technically required in the NO, and barely anyone goes there.
At my parish there are long lines at the confessional. If you don't get there when it starts you might not get to go that week.
I have seen some people go two or three weeks before they get a chance to go to confession.
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Something else crosses my mind. What is the purpose of lifting the seal, when the enemy knows that few go to confession and blah,blah blah goes the story. Question is what is the purpose and IMO when crimes to come to the surface will the authorities take any priest on HIS or (her) word in court? You know the old statistics go like this: Who do you trust the most?: Pharmacist, priest, police, mom? Just thought I would throw that in there. Can't trust an invalid not priest anyway, but the cruel world would use their word as true?
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Something else crosses my mind. What is the purpose of lifting the seal, when the enemy knows that few go to confession and blah,blah blah goes the story. Question is what is the purpose and IMO when crimes to come to the surface will the authorities take any priest on HIS or (her) word in court? You know the old statistics go like this: Who do you trust the most?: Pharmacist, priest, police, mom? Just thought I would throw that in there. Can't trust an invalid not priest anyway, but the cruel world would use their word as true?
The purpose of lifting the seal is to place social / policitical pressure on the Catholic Church - to isolate them as a stand out who needs to be updated.
I, for one, didn't know Anglicanism had the confessional.
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Something else crosses my mind. What is the purpose of lifting the seal, when the enemy knows that few go to confession and blah,blah blah goes the story. Question is what is the purpose and IMO when crimes to come to the surface will the authorities take any priest on HIS or (her) word in court? You know the old statistics go like this: Who do you trust the most?: Pharmacist, priest, police, mom? Just thought I would throw that in there. Can't trust an invalid not priest anyway, but the cruel world would use their word as true?
The purpose of lifting the seal is to place social / policitical pressure on the Catholic Church - to isolate them as a stand out who needs to be updated.
I, for one, didn't know Anglicanism had the confessional.
Bingo.
It is also part of Anglicansim's never ending attempt to be the most politically correct religion.
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I used to read federal grants for my state. I read bills to pass at our capitol. Years ago and that would be over 15years ago, there was a bill that mentioned lifting that seal of confession and I brought it up to our independent priest and he said I'd like to see that and he said that with some disbelief or the idea that he'd like to see the gov't try. Question is in my mind, did the bill pass. We have bills that pass with laws/changes attached to the bills, like a pay increase for the gov't. You get what I am saying. It might be in a different county, but it would not surprise me that we have it passed and just waiting to have the button pushed.
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According to the one Episcopal clergyman I know, a hospital chaplain who is a good man and deserves a better faith than the one he has, High Church Anglicans confess a lot. They all regard the "absolution" given at their communion services or morning or evening prayer as adequate for any sins, however, and even the high ones often don't see individual confession as a necessary thing.
Please pray for this clergyman, by the way. He is not far from the Kingdom of God.
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Something else crosses my mind. What is the purpose of lifting the seal, when the enemy knows that few go to confession and blah,blah blah goes the story. Question is what is the purpose and IMO when crimes to come to the surface will the authorities take any priest on HIS or (her) word in court? You know the old statistics go like this: Who do you trust the most?: Pharmacist, priest, police, mom? Just thought I would throw that in there. Can't trust an invalid not priest anyway, but the cruel world would use their word as true?
The purpose of lifting the seal is to place social / policitical pressure on the Catholic Church - to isolate them as a stand out who needs to be updated.
I, for one, didn't know Anglicanism had the confessional.
Just be careful what you say to them.
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According to the one Episcopal clergyman I know, a hospital chaplain who is a good man and deserves a better faith than the one he has, High Church Anglicans confess a lot. They all regard the "absolution" given at their communion services or morning or evening prayer as adequate for any sins, however, and even the high ones often don't see individual confession as a necessary thing.
Please pray for this clergyman, by the way. He is not far from the Kingdom of God.
What is his name?
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Something else crosses my mind. What is the purpose of lifting the seal, when the enemy knows that few go to confession and blah,blah blah goes the story. Question is what is the purpose and IMO when crimes to come to the surface will the authorities take any priest on HIS or (her) word in court? You know the old statistics go like this: Who do you trust the most?: Pharmacist, priest, police, mom? Just thought I would throw that in there. Can't trust an invalid not priest anyway, but the cruel world would use their word as true?
The purpose of lifting the seal is to place social / policitical pressure on the Catholic Church - to isolate them as a stand out who needs to be updated.
I, for one, didn't know Anglicanism had the confessional.
Just be careful what you say to them.
We should be careful what we say to them but we must gently remind them that they are outside the Catholic Church.
It is my own belief that any "Episcopalian" that actually believes in God has moved away from the Episcopal Church. If someone, God forbid, thought of Our Lord as a good feeling or something that spiritually blesses you but never judges you, that kind of person would be at home in the Episcopal Church but why? Why not just be an "Anonymous Christian"?
Protestantism is a spiritual disease and we should pray for all souls infected by it.
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According to the one Episcopal clergyman I know, a hospital chaplain who is a good man and deserves a better faith than the one he has, High Church Anglicans confess a lot. They all regard the "absolution" given at their communion services or morning or evening prayer as adequate for any sins, however, and even the high ones often don't see individual confession as a necessary thing.
Please pray for this clergyman, by the way. He is not far from the Kingdom of God.
What is his name?
His first name is David.
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I used to read federal grants for my state. I read bills to pass at our capitol. Years ago and that would be over 15years ago, there was a bill that mentioned lifting that seal of confession and I brought it up to our independent priest and he said I'd like to see that and he said that with some disbelief or the idea that he'd like to see the gov't try. Question is in my mind, did the bill pass. We have bills that pass with laws/changes attached to the bills, like a pay increase for the gov't. You get what I am saying. It might be in a different county, but it would not surprise me that we have it passed and just waiting to have the button pushed.
I don't think the "law" matters. A true priest would not violate the seal regardless of what the government threatened him with.
Marsha
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I used to read federal grants for my state. I read bills to pass at our capitol. Years ago and that would be over 15years ago, there was a bill that mentioned lifting that seal of confession and I brought it up to our independent priest and he said I'd like to see that and he said that with some disbelief or the idea that he'd like to see the gov't try. Question is in my mind, did the bill pass. We have bills that pass with laws/changes attached to the bills, like a pay increase for the gov't. You get what I am saying. It might be in a different county, but it would not surprise me that we have it passed and just waiting to have the button pushed.
I don't think the "law" matters. A true priest would not violate the seal regardless of what the government threatened him with.
Marsha
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can. 1388 §1. A confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; one who does so only indirectly is to be punished according to the gravity of the delict.
§2. An interpreter and the others mentioned in ⇒ can. 983, §2 who violate the secret are to be punished with a just penalty, not excluding excommunication.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P54.HTM