Author Topic: Condolences for non-Catholics (Read 6301 times)

Pelele · « **Reply #25 on:** December 18, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

The above post should read:

I'm sorry, but if you don't understand that believing in baptism of desire is perfectly Catholic I don't have the time to try to convince you of it. In my experience nothing good ever comes of discussion on this topic on this forum anyway.

I accept BOD/BOB yes, as the Saints taught them, only explicit and for catechumens, but i don't believe in the modern version of it, wherein heathens and all kinds of heretics and pagans, Buddhists, Hindus etc. are "saved" in their false religions but not "by" their religions, without the Catholic faith etc.

This is one of the main things the future Pope, if there is to be one that is, has to clear up once and for all.

The whole implicit bod deal is just so murky and vague that i don't see how it isn't any more than mere speculation and wishful thinking.

Nadir · « **Reply #26 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:01:51 PM »

Pelele, you seem to be confusing Baptism of desire with ecuмenism. Two different issues.

Anyway, it's a bit off-topic. We were talking about condolences.

Pelele · « **Reply #27 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:28:15 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Pelele, you seem to be confusing Baptism of desire with ecuмenism. Two different issues.

Why do you say that?

Quote from: Nadir

Anyway, it's a bit off-topic. We were talking about condolences.

I think there's enough about that already and it's been covered.

Now i am wondering whether you could give your obstinate, publicly immoral non-Catholic family members presents.

I see giving them presents as nothing else but confirming them in their errors and giving them the impression that you can put Catholic doctrine and morals aside for a moment and pretend nothing's going on.

I don't feel capable of putting the Faith aside for a moment and joining them in their soiree.

I would rather they ask me why i didn't give them anything, and tell them it's because of the situation they're in. Maybe then they will see im serious about the Faith.

Nadir · « **Reply #28 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:39:50 PM »

I say it because it's true. These are two different issues. It shows confused thinking to act as if they are one issue. There's been plenty on both topics , if you want to search them out.

As to the second quote: it depends on why you give presents. Most people would say that you give because you love the person to whom you give. It is so for me, anyway.

But you seem to regard gifts as some sort of a reward system.

It makes me think of parents who say to their children "If you're not good, Santa won't bring you anything" or "if you're good Santa will bring you such and such".

I don't operate in that way, so maybe I'm not the one to be answering this.

Pelele · « **Reply #29 on:** December 19, 2013, 03:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

I say it because it's true. These are two different issues. It shows confused thinking to act as if they are one issue. There's been plenty on both topics , if you want to search them out.

I still don't know what you're talking about. Just explain what you mean.