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« on: April 20, 2010, 12:07:16 AM »
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  • Nashville, Tennessee (CNN) -- Almost every weekend, there is a tradition called raging at Vanderbilt University.

    It's a recurring, drunken activity that isn't the proudest moment for student Frannie Boyle. After consuming large quantities of alcohol before a party, her night would sometimes end in making out with a stranger or acquaintance.

    Casual hook ups fueled by alcohol may be the norm across college campuses, but Boyle, now a 21-year-old junior at the school, chose to stop. Her reasons to quit hooking up echo the emotional devastation of many college students, particularly girls whose hearts are broken by the hook-up scene.

    "I saw it [hooking up] as a way to be recognized and get satisfaction," said Boyle, shaking her blond ponytail. "I felt so empty then."

    The hook-up culture on campuses may seem more pervasive than ever, especially as media outlets, books and docuмentaries rush to dissect the subject, but some college women and men are saying no.

    Some, like Boyle, experimented with hooking up and quit. Though she is Catholic, she says her reason for disengaging herself from the hook-up culture had more to do with the unhappiness she experienced afterward. Others influenced by religion have abstained from casual physical activity from the moment they set foot on campus.

    The idea of rejecting hook-ups may not be as strange as it sounds in a generation surrounded by sex. Pop star Lady Gaga recently announced she was celibate and encouraged others to follow. In Kelly Clarkson's song "I Don't Hook Up," she addresses the dominant hook-up culture: "I do not hook up, up I go slow, so if you want me I don't come cheap."

    Read about Lady Gaga declaring her celibacy

    The term "hook up" is ambiguous, usually defined as a no-commitment, physical encounter with a stranger or acquaintance. Hooking up can range from just a make-out session all the way to sex. Other lingo for the no-commitment sɛҳuąƖ encounters are "booty calls" or "friends with benefits."

    Read the downsides of having friends with benefits

    Various academic studies have cited at least 75 percent of women have engaged in hooking up on campus, and the number is usually higher for men. The activity is most likely precipitated by alcohol, studies show. Boyle's decision to quit hooking up leaves her in the minority.

    Evidence of the backlash on hooking up on campuses can be seen in the growing popularity of the Love and Fidelity Network, a secular, nonprofit group dedicated to helping college students open the discussion for a lifestyle that doesn't involve casual sɛҳuąƖ activity with anonymous or uncommitted partners.

    The organization, which promotes sɛҳuąƖ integrity and defends marriage though discussion and speakers, has gained a presence on at least 20 schools from Harvard University to the University of Notre Dame since its inception in 2007. There is no official count on the number of students who participate in the Love and Fidelity Network. But at Princeton University, about 40 students have joined.

    The group says it does not judge those who hook up, but it does promote abstinence.

    "A majority of college campuses, when it comes to discussing marriage and sɛҳuąƖ relationships, tend to be very one-sided," said Cassandra Hough, founding director of the Love and Fidelity Network. "We feel that it does add to pressures for young men and women to participate in a certain type of culture."

    At Vanderbilt University, a pristine campus defined by elegant, Southern-style architecture and manicured lawns, the hook-up culture can be hard to avoid, Boyle said. The Greek scene also can create more pressure to hook up, added Boyle, who is a member of a sorority.

    Boyle explained the warm weather compels some students to engage in "day fratting," imbibing for hours in the front yard of a fraternity. Day fratting can result in "afternoon delight," noncommittal physical activity between two people that can include casual sex.

    "Right now, people conceive the idea of what they think from the media and friends -- that the only options are to extremes: to deny everything fun, including sex, or just to hook up," says Emily O'Connell, a freshman at the College of William and Mary in Virginia.

    After observing the hook-up scene as a freshman, O'Connell is starting a nonreligious group to talk about alternatives to hooking up.

    "There's definitely a middle ground, and it's not that outrageous," she said.

    In addition to protection from STDs, some students may have good reasons not to hook up. Over the past decade, scholars, researchers and authors have begun to examine the psychological toll of hooking up.

    An April 2010 study from James Madison University in Virginia revealed more college women tend to want a relationship out of a hook up compared with men who prefer to stay independent. Other studies have shown the instability from hooking up can cause depression. Repeated rejection and detached relationships can also damage self-esteem.

    But Laura Sessions Stepp, author of "Unhooked: How Young Women Pursue Sex, Delay Love, and Lose at Both," said not all hook-ups have a negative impact. Some students can engage in no-strings relationships without suffering emotional trauma. Some women say casual sɛҳuąƖ activity allows them the benefits of experimentation.

    It's unclear at what point hooking up eclipsed traditional dates. But what is clear is that some students, like Boyle, want old-fashioned courtship to return.

    Kathleen Bogle, who wrote "Hooking Up: Sex, Dating, and Relationships on Campus" in 2008, says she's found there is a strong and growing desire to bring back traditional dating. Bogle points to the uptick in college students participating in online dating.

    On Facebook.com, several groups are rooting for the traditional dates. The motto on the group Bring Dating Back reads, "This group is for all those girls who wish that once in a while a guy would take her out on a date before trying to get her into bed. At least invite us to dinner before expecting us to get down and dirty!"

    Vanderbilt student Boyle says her decision she made at the end of her freshman year to quit hooking up came with criticism. She is still surrounded by friends and peers who do it.

    She's already lost some guy friends who couldn't understand her decision. But Boyle counters, "They probably weren't my friends anyway."

    Several students from her school participated in the Love and Fidelity Network's annual conference earlier this year. There is a possibility that Vanderbilt may start a similar nonreligious group that provides an alternative discussion to hooking up.

    "I'm respecting myself," Boyle said confidently one sunny morning before class. "And I won't waste my time with some guy who doesn't care about me."
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    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 12:10:12 AM »
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  • According to this article, the old-fashioned practice of "dating" has given way to a more "efficient" jumping right to the bedroom.

    It makes sense from a jaded, Millenium generation standpoint: Why waste (hard to come by) money on dinner and a movie when you can just have cheaper food at your place, and jump right to the conclusion you both have planned anyhow? Why grease the palms of the flower, restaurant, and other industries?

    Just as courtship fell pray to "dating", now dating (I suppose defined as "less than serious courtship, often with improper physical intimacies such as making out") has given way to "hooking up".

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    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 01:35:28 AM »
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  • Lady Gaga is only temporarily celibate. She said she's chosen to be single right now because she doesn't have time for anyone. But she still believes in having sex when in a relationship.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 02:19:25 AM »
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  • I never thought I would see the words "Lady Gaga" on this site.

    From what I know about Lady Gaga, which is very little, she is the living image of what they call "sad smut."  She is like a Madonna who goes through the motions joylessly, with a depressed air about her.  It is actually shocking to see what she looked like in high school compared to now -- a completely normal, pretty girl.

    http://www.wellsphere.com/skin-beauty-article/lady-gaga-before-and-after/920699

    Turns out she went to a school called "Convent of the Sacred Heart," surprise surprise.
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    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 04:37:08 AM »
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  • Wow! Nice looking girl turned modern monster. Sad.

    I also read a recent article that hooking up is especially prevalent on our mainstream "Catholic" campuses. For a good read on how the Catholic university system came to implode in the US see the article "Status Envy" in the latest Catholic Family News.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 09:24:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    It is actually shocking to see what she looked like in high school compared to now -- a completely normal, pretty girl.


    That "skirt" is frightening, mate.  Her eyes look quite dull in the photo at left, too, and the smile is pretty lifeless.  No, there is no plasticky, uber-weird junk all over her, but she hardly has that joyful look of life and vigor that comes from leading an ordered life.

    Her present, temporary "chastity" -- and the way TPTB use her to manipulate the minds of the young -- reminds me of those in 1984 who were supposedly part of the chastity brigade (or whatever it was called), but were being boinked behind closed doors by those with any kind of more notable power.  IOW, the 'chastity' bit was all a farce and one more means of control of the masses.
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    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 09:51:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Wow! Nice looking girl turned modern monster. Sad.

    I also read a recent article that hooking up is especially prevalent on our mainstream "Catholic" campuses. For a good read on how the Catholic university system came to implode in the US see the article "Status Envy" in the latest Catholic Family News.


    when she started out entertaining, she looked normal, actually more attractive then now...but monster is about right!
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 09:57:11 AM »
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    It is actually shocking to see what she looked like in high school compared to now -- a completely normal, pretty girl.


    That "skirt" is frightening, mate.  Her eyes look quite dull in the photo at left, too, and the smile is pretty lifeless.  No, there is no plasticky, uber-weird junk all over her, but she hardly has that joyful look of life and vigor that comes from leading an ordered life.

    Her present, temporary "chastity" -- and the way TPTB use her to manipulate the minds of the young -- reminds me of those in 1984 who were supposedly part of the chastity brigade (or whatever it was called), but were being boinked behind closed doors by those with any kind of more notable power.  IOW, the 'chastity' bit was all a farce and one more means of control of the masses.


    likely in schol, she was getting wild, hence the look, but at least she looked normal girl-next-door largely.....
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    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 09:58:47 AM »
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  • rather shocking and frightening comments too:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga#Philanthropy
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    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2010, 10:00:42 AM »
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  • Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

    Along those lines, Pilate sought to appease those who wanted to kill Christ -- we do as much when we seek to indulge our passions, but only "so far".  By opening the door to their wishes, Pilate set himself up to go/get dragged all the way -- we do the same when we play around with a thought, allow venial sins to proliferate without much worry, think we will go 'this far' but no farther, etc.  IOW, it could be argued that Pilate's actions mirror our own in each and every fall.  If this is not of use to you, please ignore it as such.  Godspeed :)
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    « Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 10:07:06 AM »
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  • She is chummy with QE2 -- says it all, IMO.

    FWIW, I believe God is moving the hearts and minds of this rising generation.  Why?  We are about to get purged of all the filth that has built up over these few hundred years of infidelity, and He will lead those who survive into the proverbial promised land.  The older folks who gave away the store, and are presently seeing their retirements annihilated, will be allowed to 'drop dead' before God sets things aright (just as happened with the Israelites post-Egypt).

    That some young people are -- while still within the machine designed to grind them up and pervert their minds and hearts -- rejecting the BS around them is great news.  God alone be praised.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 11:42:36 PM »
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  • It's really sad because it's so true. I can attest to it on my college campus. Instead of getting to know a person and seeing if you want to date them, it has turned into sleep with them first then MAYBE get to know them and see if you're compatible.

    As for the alcohol, it is ALWAYS involved. You would think that if you have to get that drunk to do something, it's probably wrong to begin with but I don't think this thought occurs to most kids.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 12:03:22 AM »
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  • EcceAgnusDei said:
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    It's really sad because it's so true. I can attest to it on my college campus. Instead of getting to know a person and seeing if you want to date them, it has turned into sleep with them first then MAYBE get to know them and see if you're compatible.


    It's almost like you have to quickly sleep with someone you are attracted to physically before their personality kills the physical attraction, before you realize you don't really like each other... The world is full of people who are fornicating and cannot even stand each other, just because they are lonely and need a quick boost of self-esteem.

    Hey -- that's kind of like HELL!  Surprise surprise!  

    The scary part is that even if you escape that world and are in monogamous relationships, it's still living in sin.  And even if you are in a "Catholic" marriage, most of those people use condoms now.  ( Not to mention NFP. )  The way that the Catholic married couples speak on Catholic Answers is just not right -- they are too sex-obsessed, in my opinion.  They do nothing, absolutely nothing, to work towards chastity, which is a big part of Catholic marriage.  After all, we are going to get old one day, the desire will fade whether we like it or not.  You have to start preparing.

    I read one person talking about their Spanish grandfather who thinks that sex should only take place in the dark with lots of clothes on, and should be as quick as possible.  Everyone thought that was so humorously antiquated while I was thinking "What's wrong with that?"  Then again, I'm half-Spanish.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 12:22:23 AM »
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    EcceAgnusDei said:
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    It's really sad because it's so true. I can attest to it on my college campus. Instead of getting to know a person and seeing if you want to date them, it has turned into sleep with them first then MAYBE get to know them and see if you're compatible.


    It's almost like you have to quickly sleep with someone you are attracted to physically before their personality kills the physical attraction, before you realize you don't really like each other... The world is full of people who are fornicating and cannot even stand each other, just because they are lonely and need a quick boost of self-esteem.

    Hey -- that's kind of like HELL!  Surprise surprise!  

    The scary part is that even if you escape that world and are in monogamous relationships, it's still living in sin.  And even if you are in a "Catholic" marriage, most of those people use condoms now.  ( Not to mention NFP. )  The way that the Catholic married couples speak on Catholic Answers is just not right -- they are too sex-obsessed, in my opinion.  They do nothing, absolutely nothing, to work towards chastity, which is a big part of Catholic marriage.  After all, we are going to get old one day, the desire will fade whether we like it or not.  You have to start preparing.

    I read one person talking about their Spanish grandfather who thinks that sex should only take place in the dark with lots of clothes on, and should be as quick as possible.  Everyone thought that was so humorously antiquated while I was thinking "What's wrong with that?"  Then again, I'm half-Spanish.


    Raoul, I think you need to be more open-minded. People are on their own path so you need to be tolerant. I think you should start valuing diversity and stop being so extreme.

     :laugh1:

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    « Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 01:18:46 AM »
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  • I came very close to the missing the sarcasm there and was about to tut-tut you.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.