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Re: College is usually NOT worth it
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2019, 07:53:47 PM »
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    I wouldn't send a daughter to college or State University. I will encourage her to learn a trade at home. If she marries, its OK, I will pray she would be at home. If she has a religious vocation, and learned a trade like cooking or sewing, that will be useful at her community. If she is a single woman, she could earn her own money (the last choice).

    Same here.


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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #47 on: August 29, 2019, 06:31:41 AM »
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  • Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.
    Agreed - if the parents approve. But parents cannot always stop or forbid their child from going away when the child gets to that age, but all parents can dissuade, and particularly for trads the dissuasion has to be built in, has to be a part of their upbringing - which hopefully goes without saying for trads.



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    If I have a son, I would encourage him to learn some trade related to computers so he can learn at home, maybe going to State University but only if he is mature enough
    I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.

    Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed  at college.    

     
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    Offline Smedley Butler

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #48 on: August 29, 2019, 07:26:26 AM »
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  • To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
    Obviously, you have never been to university, or you would never say that.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #49 on: August 29, 2019, 07:49:30 AM »
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  • Obviously, you have never been to university, or you would never say that.
    Or, he attends or did attend, and having such familiarity with the whole scene doesn't see the obvious.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #50 on: August 29, 2019, 09:26:06 AM »
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  • Or, he attends or did attend, and having such familiarity with the whole scene doesn't see the obvious.
    He's 17, likely he intends to start in a year or two. 
    Well all we can do is pray he comes out the other side with his faith. 

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #51 on: August 29, 2019, 11:29:34 PM »
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  • Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.

    A naive young trad catholic will have atheistic or neopagan teachers and friends. Even if they go from home to University and from University to home, day by day.

    I wouldn't send a daughter to college or State University. I will encourage her to learn a trade at home. If she marries, its OK, I will pray she would be at home. If she has a religious vocation, and learned a trade like cooking or sewing, that will be useful at her community. If she is a single woman, she could earn her own money (the last choice).

    If I have a son, I would encourage him to learn some trade related to computers so he can learn at home, maybe going to State University but only if he is mature enough.
    If your daughter ends up having to support herself, she’s going to be able to do so by cooking and sewing?  On which planet?  
    OK, I shouldn’t be sarcastic, but think this to the natural conclusion!  

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #52 on: August 29, 2019, 11:34:25 PM »
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  • I don't know about everyone but in my own university experience the dorms were dens of vipers.
    Which is EXACTLY why I moved out of the dorms after the first semester, two miles from campus into my own apartment at age 18.  


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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #53 on: August 29, 2019, 11:37:52 PM »
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  • I never understood why parents want to finance their children becoming Marxistized and perverted, or why students go into debt just so they can become less sovereign people and filled with bogus information that has no real application in the world.
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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #54 on: August 29, 2019, 11:53:43 PM »
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  • I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.

    Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed  at college.    

     
    This is a great idea for a young man who lives in a place that still has “industry” like Louisville.  As for a daughter?  Many places no longer have heavy industry, and that which do necessitates higher education to make a decent living.  Take Florida’s tourism industry, or IT, or the restaurant business.  Nobody except those on welfare support their families working at McDonalds or in an entry level IT job.  Many of these people can be found living in welfare motels near Disney resorts or in worn out RVs parked illegally near Google headquarters.  Right now, Louisville is one of the rare places that a man can find a decent job or work his way up into one, but he will probably need to live, 5-8 years at home before he’ll be ready to marry.  Should an entire family move for this purpose?  What about the parents, likely in their 50s?  Will Dad be able to find work?  Businesses just aren’t hiring 55 year olds.  And if it’s a daughter who doesn’t marry or enter a convent?  I don’t think most parents want her to drive a semi hauling pipes and heavy equipment, even if it does pay the bills!  
    I’m not arguing, just questioning.  It seems to me that there really IS no one answer except to pray for each adult “child” to grow in holiness and acquire heroic fortitude in order to both survive in the world and save his soul.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #55 on: August 30, 2019, 07:03:02 AM »
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  • This is a great idea for a young man who lives in a place that still has “industry” like Louisville.  As for a daughter?  Many places no longer have heavy industry, and that which do necessitates higher education to make a decent living.  Take Florida’s tourism industry, or IT, or the restaurant business.  Nobody except those on welfare support their families working at McDonalds or in an entry level IT job.  Many of these people can be found living in welfare motels near Disney resorts or in worn out RVs parked illegally near Google headquarters.  Right now, Louisville is one of the rare places that a man can find a decent job or work his way up into one, but he will probably need to live, 5-8 years at home before he’ll be ready to marry.  Should an entire family move for this purpose?  What about the parents, likely in their 50s?  Will Dad be able to find work?  Businesses just aren’t hiring 55 year olds.  And if it’s a daughter who doesn’t marry or enter a convent?  I don’t think most parents want her to drive a semi hauling pipes and heavy equipment, even if it does pay the bills!  
    I’m not arguing, just questioning.  It seems to me that there really IS no one answer except to pray for each adult “child” to grow in holiness and acquire heroic fortitude in order to both survive in the world and save his soul.
    I never said it would be easy :laugh1:, but let's use tourism for example, a field I know absolutely zero about, but this is what I would do if I were a young woman in an area where tourism was a major industry. The same concept applies to wherever and whatever the industry is. It's not 100% fool proof, but the concept is pretty robust.

    I would find a job with any one of the tourism or maybe boat charter or some other related company, likely one of the puny offices would suit me, but a big place works too.

    Once in, plan to spend at least few months doing whatever duties or menial tasks they give you, while striving to learn and advance. That is the purpose for getting that job, to learn as much about it as possible, as well as if you will want to stick in that field.

    Once in, within a few months or however long it takes, you'll get to see how it all works so get good at it. Learn everything you can about that field. Use that first place as a learning experience, but use it - while at the same time making a few bucks. Maybe even advance up the ladder a little while you're at it. If you make it a year, you should know a lot about the business you're in.

    By now, I'd be wanting more money so I'd ask for a raise, if I don't get it, I go get a better paying job, maybe at a bigger company in the same industry. Better paying because now I have experience, with experience comes an increase in pay. It might be that I'd have to do some leg work to get it, but I'll get it because it's out there.

    After you know what you're doing and have made some connections within the business, maybe open your own office, or home office and work from home. Sure, it will take some years, but that's the norm anyway, even with a degree. How many of the college brainwashed come out of college and land a job that pays them $80k/year? Few if any imo. Besides, it beats working at McDonalds drive-thru and living in a slum.

       





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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #56 on: August 30, 2019, 08:38:58 AM »
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  • You should do it all the time! :laugh1:
    Still got a down thumb lol Likely from a Liberal who is either NO or goes to college or both.
    :) I did it again!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #57 on: August 30, 2019, 05:34:43 PM »
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  • If your daughter ends up having to support herself, she’s going to be able to do so by cooking and sewing?  On which planet?  
    OK, I shouldn’t be sarcastic, but think this to the natural conclusion!  
    I know you are not being sarcastic. Dont worry.
    If she knows how to cook or sew in a profesional and not amateur way she could earn her own money designin clothes or starting a restaurant.
    She could have a little farm or piece of land with animals and vegetables and offer organic meals... a lot of stuff.

    Ive seen people with college degrees without employment and creative people with only high school who start their own bussiness.

    Even if she is poor I prefer she lives in poverty but she remains a catholic than going to college and being lost. 

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #58 on: August 30, 2019, 07:03:47 PM »
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  • Agreed - if the parents approve. But parents cannot always stop or forbid their child from going away when the child gets to that age, but all parents can dissuade, and particularly for trads the dissuasion has to be built in, has to be a part of their upbringing - which hopefully goes without saying for trads.


    I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.

    Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed  at college.    

     
    Good ideas!
    For a woman: taking care if elderly people (a lot of sons and daughters are ready to pay for someone to take their parents to hospital or shopping because they dont have time to do it or dont care), hairdresser (she can work with an assistant for safety reasons) an attend only old ladys, taking care of pets and animals (yeah, in big cities a lot of yuppies dont have time to take their dog to the park and need someone who do this), etc...
    She dont need to do it personally, she can manage a web page an offer the service.
    A lot of people love organic food. She can offer organic meals. 
    I believe its common sense. Maybe she will not live with luxuries but she will not starve if parents can give her a roof (the most expensive item). 

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #59 on: August 30, 2019, 07:37:36 PM »
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  • I know you are not being sarcastic. Dont worry.
    If she knows how to cook or sew in a profesional and not amateur way she could earn her own money designin clothes or starting a restaurant.
    She could have a little farm or piece of land with animals and vegetables and offer organic meals... a lot of stuff.

    Ive seen people with college degrees without employment and creative people with only high school who start their own bussiness.

    Even if she is poor I prefer she lives in poverty but she remains a catholic than going to college and being lost.
    100# agree with your last sentence.
    Back to cooking and sewing... 
    What you suggest does surely necessitate a great deal of skill and capital support.  As you say, she can’t be an amateur.  Unless someone in the family or a close friend is a professional cook, chef, designer, seamstress, she will need training and time to acquire the necessary skill level.  She will need  money to pay her teachers, money and a place for equipment and supplies.  If she’s going into business, she needs to learn how to start and operate a business, average of $40,000 up front in the U.S.  Keep in mind that a full 80% of start-ups in the US fail within five years.  I don’t think most women, even those young, strong, and in robust health are capable of living solo on a mini-farm.  She’d need land, not for free, even if inherited or gifted, there’s taxes, many kinds of equipment, animals, to pay for the vet...She will need not only traditionally female domestic skills, but male farm skills and the physical ability to perform both.  
    Troubled30, are you age 30 or thereabouts?  Have you ever lived on an off-grid farm?  By yourself?  Successfully for a period of say, three to five years?  
    I’ll anticipate the next suggestion from someone.  A group of single Catholic ladies should band together and do this.  To me, that sounds wonderful.  I’ve lived on three off-grid farms for a total of about eight years.  I loved the lifestyle.  But I wasn’t alone; I lived with the most ultra-conservative of the Old Order Amish and Mennonites.  For eight years I used an outhouse, never showered, bathed once weekly from a round tub behind the cookstove in the kitchen.  I was #five in line for the ladies’ water.  I can sew, can, bake, butcher chickens, keep a garden, hitch a horse to a buggy and drive it, use a manual wringer washer, operate a water-driven grist mill to grind grain, make lye soap, pick and shuck corn, milk cows and goats by hand, shovel mischt, fork hay, chop wood, and I’m a pretty good shot with a 12-gauge.  
    That was when I was in my 20’s with good health despite arthritis.  I’m now in my 60’s with fair health due to arthritis and PVS, the result of a very bad case of flu combined with Fifth’s Disease.  
    Please forward to me the list of traditional Catholic ladies willing and able to commit full-time to this life for a period of about 8-10 years.  I may not be able to do everything, but I can still teach younger or more adept women!  (Don’t worry, I won’t be offended if there are few or none who’d seriously like to live this way.). At my old SSPX chapel, there were two women who were seriously scandalized when I showed up at a Pilgrimage/Retreat/Conference.  I arrived having driven four days, solo, and pitched a tent in woods behind a cornfield.  I couldn’t afford it, otherwise!  They were horrified at the idea of my sleeping in the tent back there alone, and insisted I should have female companions.  There were plenty of single ladies, mostly in their 20’s.  My tent could easily fit three plus bags and I had one extra small tent for two minus bags or one more comfortably.  There were zero takers to my offer, this even when I discovered the land owner was one of the conference coordinators.  At least I didn’t have to squat.  He gave permission somewhat reluctantly and made me sign a paper agreeing to take full responsibility for my personal safety and well-being.  
    I’ve often invited work colleagues to join me for a weekend in a campground with a bathhouse, hot water, flush toilets, showers, WiFi, coin laundry facilities, picnic tables, tent platforms, option for electric and water hook-ups on the site...In 25 years, not a soul has taken me up on the offer.  The closest I ever came was a temporary music teacher, recently (unwillingly) divorced, raising her 11 year old autistic son and five year old Down Syndrome daughter accompanied me on a day trip to a rustic park in Connecticut.  At work, my colleagues looked down on her because she was black and had married a Korean man, father of the girl, but not the boy.  She’d converted from Baptist to Coptic Orthodox and married the Korean novus man, but soon returned to the Coptic.  The man left the Faith first, and then her.  (Koreans and blacks in NYC really don’t like each other, so in a majority Asian/Korean school, it didn’t go over well when she was hired!). I liked her.  She handled the children exceptionally well, her son, especially.  He was basically non-verbal and had anger outbursts as a result.  The little girl was easy.  You simply had to keep in mind she was a 1 year old mind in a five year old body, very sweet and lovable.  I don’t understand how her father could have rejected and abandoned her.  I do understand the difficulty with the boy, but he married her knowing it was a package deal.  Lorelei told me he became abusive about six months into the marriage, first verbally, then physically after she had their daughter.  He wanted to put both children in care and get her tubes tied.  (Probably a truly anullable marriage if he had this in mind secretly all along?). We set up the tent for an after lunch nap.  Everyone slept except for me!  James loved being outdoors and had only one meltdown because he was scared to use the outhouse.