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Author Topic: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe  (Read 3956 times)

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Re: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2018, 08:50:12 PM »
There is other point that women rarely need to go onto post secondary to help their families. There isn’t much you can’t learn on the internet as supplementary to whatever you might need to learn to earn an income from home or to run a homeschool. 
Bringing that significant amount of debt into a marriage is crippling for families and, of course, a grave risk to losing your values as a Catholic. 
Just because you didn’t pay through the nose for a degree doesn’t mean you can’t hold your own as an intellectual. My husband is the seriously one of the smartest man I know and does HVAC. 

Re: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2018, 10:10:39 PM »
There is other point that women rarely need to go onto post secondary to help their families. There isn’t much you can’t learn on the internet as supplementary to whatever you might need to learn to earn an income from home or to run a homeschool.
Bringing that significant amount of debt into a marriage is crippling for families and, of course, a grave risk to losing your values as a Catholic.
Just because you didn’t pay through the nose for a degree doesn’t mean you can’t hold your own as an intellectual. My husband is the seriously one of the smartest man I know and does HVAC.

In Minnesota, a journeyman pipefitter (i.e., HVAC guys) makes $90k.

Other trades like electrician and tinner (sheetmetal fab) are in the same ballpark, and even slightly higher.

Absolutely no reason at all to go to college "to get a good job."

There are also sales jobs that pay even more, which require no college degree (though some do).

Whichever of my children wash out of the seminary (I'm going to make them all give it a whirl in France, either at the SAJM or Avrille), I will tell to either go into one of these trades, or, get a AA law enforcement degree from a junior college (so they can live at home while going to school), then they can go live out in the wilderness as conservation officers (less money, but lower cost of living out in the wild, and the joy of getting out of the city which I will never have).

College is out of the question for any of them, and unthinkable for my daughter (good heavens, the filth!).

And the money I wasted for believing the marketing scheme that I had to go to college....


Re: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 10:14:59 PM »
In Minnesota, a journeyman pipefitter (i.e., HVAC guys) makes $90k.

Other trades like electrician and tinner (sheetmetal fab) are in the same ballpark, and even slightly higher.

Absolutely no reason at all to go to college "to get a good job."

There are also sales jobs that pay even more, which require no college degree (though some do).

Whichever of my children wash out of the seminary (I'm going to make them all give it a whirl in France, either at the SAJM or Avrille), I will tell to either go into one of these trades, or, get a AA law enforcement degree from a junior college (so they can live at home while going to school), then they can go live out in the wilderness as conservation officers (less money, but lower cost of living out in the wild, and the joy of getting out of the city which I will never have).

College is out of the question for any of them, and unthinkable for my daughter (good heavens, the filth!).
If one of your sons wants to marry and be a father like you are, he is not going to be accepted in a seminary.

Re: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 11:05:45 PM »
If one of your sons wants to marry and be a father like you are, he is not going to be accepted in a seminary.
Yes, yes, I grasp that. ::)

Re: College degrees are crap (mostly)- Ben Shapiro & Mike Rowe
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2018, 10:22:06 AM »
There is other point that women rarely need to go onto post secondary to help their families. There isn’t much you can’t learn on the internet as supplementary to whatever you might need to learn to earn an income from home or to run a homeschool.
Bringing that significant amount of debt into a marriage is crippling for families and, of course, a grave risk to losing your values as a Catholic.
Just because you didn’t pay through the nose for a degree doesn’t mean you can’t hold your own as an intellectual. My husband is the seriously one of the smartest man I know and does HVAC.
I think this is very sound thinking, if as most of us do, we see ourselves has having a vocation for marriage and motherhood, we should view further education (ideally all education) with that in mind.
For many I suspect it is a luxury, which has the danger of bringing with it a lot of debt.
Also the way in which it is usually delivered, in secular Colleges and Universities, often away from home is not in my view compatible with the life choices and moral values of a traditional Catholics would consider appropriate for un-married, vulnerable and impressionable women.