Author Topic: CNN hit piece on marriage and children (Read 2546 times)

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2016, 04:05:05 PM »

Quote from: qeddeq

i just thought it was bizarre to say that the "light at the end of the tunnel" is that the marriage improves once the kids are gone. The idea is that kids are harmful to marriage. So get married but don't have kids because it will ruin your marriage and career. This practice is especially true of educated women who have very low fertility rates, the higher the education the lower the rate. Kids are seen by these women(mostly white) as a ball and chain around their ankle, preventing them from having a good life. A good life is the freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want. Kids reduce that freedom to an enormous extent. I realize that this view of things is 100% secular, and it made possible by advances in contraceptive tech.

You are correct in your assessment.

Read Traditional Catholic books on marriage and family, and consult with a Traditional Catholic Priest, if you want good advice.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2016, 04:09:34 PM »

Yes, marriage and children will help one to overcome selfishness.

The World says: "heaven forbid!"

If you worship yourself, pleasure, or money, then NO of course you shouldn't get married OR have any children.

But if you're interested in TRUE happiness, or even salvation, then (for a married person) having children is God's will for you.

(Assuming you can physically have children. If you can't, then obviously it's not God's will for you.)

Immaculata001 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2016, 09:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

Since most women work full time now, having children is just another 'chore', once the novelty wears off. There's not enough time in the day to have a good career and be a good mother. If you polled 'stay at home' mothers, i'd bet the results would drastically different.

Housewives actually have higher rates of dissatisfaction. It seems that it's because of the double-speak and duplicity of modern society.

You hear people saying that motherhood is "the most important job in the world," but women who mother are not given any real validation or support from the society, if that is all they do, and the qualities that a good mother/teacher/caregiver must possess (wisdom, ceaseless self-sacrifice, singular commitment to others' needs, boundless love and acceptance, inattention to one's own desires, possession of principles and dignity, kindness, meekness, vulnerability) are viciously derided and condemned; meanwhile, women who display the most aggressive and mannish qualities in career, finances, sɛҳuąƖ behavior, you-name-it are praised and lauded...Examples: Hilary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, any female pop-star who is overtly and aggressively sɛҳuąƖly self-exploitative, female journalists...

But as it concerns the article, yes, modern, secular/Godless parents are dissatisfied and miserable, but because leftists are dogmatists (these social ideologies are dogmas), they can't offer an authentic analysis of the reasons why.

I can remember my grandmother, when she was disgusted by the parenting and religious indifference of my own mother and other relatives, would shout, in French, that parents are burdened with the charge of their children's souls. This is the most intense and significant responsibility that a person can have, and all parents WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE to God for how they have either maimed or nurtured that soul. It's part of the reason I haven't really tried to thwart God's will for my life in not having a relationship or having children, because I know I would not be able to live with myself if I should fail at that responsibility. I think I might rather die.

Contrast that traditional Catholic idea with the implicit modern understanding of the purposes of family, relationships, sex, and/or children: the Godless believe that children are accessories that contribute to their personal fulfillment and accomplishment. Think about it. Why else would extremely large numbers of people have children without ever having been married, knowing, explicitly, that it is contrary to the welfare of the children born?

One of the most crushing and demoralizing aspects of being a teacher in this country is the reality that many American parents simply forfeit their obligations to their children if they no longer feel fulfilled by their children, whether through divorce, creating new abusive relationships with boyfriends/girlfriends and being sure to give those relationships precedence over their children, or simply stopping parenting when things become too difficult . That's what devices like these phones are for: they get the children out of the way and quiet; the "problem" is eliminated, and then the parents can find other sources of self-worship and fulfillment. Inevitably, when the children become suicidal, drug-addicted, violent, criminal, or deviant, the parents can feign ignorance as to how the children got there...

Degrelle · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:04:19 PM »

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... yes, modern, secular/Godless parents are dissatisfied and miserable, but because leftists are dogmatists (these social ideologies are dogmas), they can't offer an authentic analysis of the reasons why.

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Contrast that traditional Catholic idea with the implicit modern understanding of the purposes of family, relationships, sex, and/or children: the Godless believe that children are accessories that contribute to their personal fulfillment and accomplishment. Think about it. Why else would extremely large numbers of people have children without ever having been married, knowing, explicitly, that it is contrary to the welfare of the children born?

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Very well said, and I think this sums up the article well.

Yes, modern people are miserable -- and it's not surprise. They don't have God, first and foremost, but they are also trying to operate in a situation completely inimical to human nature and to the family. Feminism has turned things upside-down, and although they can't admit it, this makes them miserable. It makes women feel "guilt" for not pursuing their career and then they get piled-on by society who condemns them if they stay at home.

I notice that all my secular colleagues at work seem to hate or at least do not get along with their children. This is because the children are little monsters behaviourally from having never been disciplined due to modern concepts of parenting that are pushed (in come countries like Canada forced by law upon parents), plus they are alienated from their parents by the local brainwashing centres (public schools), and the media they constantly imbibe. But no one knows to turn the TV off because that is all they know.

Above all, people do not accept their crosses because of the hedonistic self-centred ethos of our pagan society. So any amount of suffering makes them disproportionately unhappy and they beleive the liars in the media that if only they had a different spouse things would be better (everyone has such temptations from the devil, but secular folk have no immune system to defend against it). As a parent myself I can say yes, there are a lot of crosses, but there is corresponding joy and I wouldn't sacrifice a single of the crosses I've had.

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qeddeq · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:55:08 PM »

let me just ask this question though: is there anything that can be done to make parenting a bit easier? The TFR in this country is 1.88 and falling. It's at that level only due to the hispanic women. Once they start acting like white and black women the rate will go down to very low levels, like in Japan and germany, or Singapore. Replacement level is 2.1. Less than that and a population contracts.You do the research for yourself, the statistics are well understood.