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Offline PenitentWoman

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« on: July 10, 2012, 08:17:35 PM »
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  • Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:
    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25


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    « Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 08:32:50 PM »
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  • You will like the CMRI priest.  SSPX also has very good priests, but with the current confusion with the "Rome agreement",  you might wait until things settle there before meeting with them.  Most tradionalist(SSPV,CMRI, Independent sede) are resisting the same things.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 08:59:17 PM »
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  • Yes, CMRI priests seem very good.

    As insidebaseball said, you'll want to wait until the "dust settles" with the SSPX/Rome thing before you get too involved with them.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 09:47:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:


    As they said, the priests with any of the mentioned groups will give you solid, Catholic advice.

    Prayers for your meeting tomorrow!  :pray:

    (If any priest, anywhere, tries to tell you that you can only go to their Mass, then go somewhere else.)
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 09:54:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:


    I will pray for you, too, Penitent Woman.  Do not worry, this priest has died to the world, as evidenced by his cassock, which symbolises exactly that he has put aside worldly dress to serve Our Lord forever as a priest of the Order of Melchisedech.  He is in the business of forgiving sins and healing souls.  Have confidence that Our Lady will guide you and your daughter to the Sacred Heart of Her Son, Who is meek and humble.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 09:56:08 PM »
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  • The trad groups have varying mindsets towards the current crisis in the Church.  Check them all out and see where you feel most comfortable and what fits with your theological positions.

    http://www.cmri.org/   (sedevacantist)

    http://www.sspx.org/  (in process of regularization with Rome)

    http://www.fssp.org/en/  (fully regular with Rome)

    All of the above have good priests and not so good priests.  SSPV doesn't have a presence in the western half of the U.S.  At least they didn't last time I checked.

    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 10:53:13 AM »
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  • FSSP are of the dioceses and of Vatican II.  No, don't go there! Go to CMRI.  There is no reason to nervous, they are very understanding.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:


    Good for you PW!

    I don't attend CMRI regularly (I attend SSPX), however, I have attended a few of their masses. All of the cmri priests I've met have shown themselves to be very humble and holy men. I think you are doing yourself a great service. You will be in my prayers!


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    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 11:19:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:



    Penitent,
    Please dont be nervous at meeting the CMRI priest.  Consider your meeting one of the greatest blessings of your life!   I know all of the priests.  Some Ive known since they were children.  They are holy priests.  One thing you will find refreshing about them.  They will not legislate where you go to mass.  They believe that you should go to mass wherever there is a Valid mass.  They do not control and threaten their people.  PM me.  Illl tell you about the priest you are seeing.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 11:30:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    Tomorrow I am meeting with a traditional priest. I found the church on a Latin mass website. I was looking a little more closely and noticed this is a CMRI church. Should I be going to an SSPX?? I had thought SSPV were the sede ones but I guess this group is too.  I just don't know what to believe yet or where I'll get the best counsel.  

    So nervous.  :cry:


    I go to CMRI  You will get sound Catholic Advise.  And as for SSPX - I have been to SSPX Masses as well - and they are Catholic as well - but granted - we are all waiting to see what unfolds in the current situation with Bsp Fellay

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    « Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 02:45:29 PM »
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  • I survived. I don't have much time but wanted to confirm I didn't chicken out, though, I can't lie, I had a very creepy feeling about it and I think maybe I am just conditioned to think Sede=Rebellious.  

    I am a bit overwhelmed by everything, but I feel pretty good about it.  I need to just sort through it all in my head (information overload) and pray on it.  

    Two things I was asked to work on now that are really sticking out to me are:

    1) "Strongly consider" getting rid of Facebook. It seems so silly, but having been on it since High School it is hard to let go. I've deactivated it before when I felt the drama of it was presenting an occasion of sin, but I have always ended up giving in and starting up again.

    2) Finding a way to live without the night job, but also finding new childcare arrangements for my day job. Much easier said than done, and I'll refrain from speaking to much about this right now because I tend to be overly defensive and sensitive about the topic of daycare and I already know how bad it is.

    As far as the marriage/courtship stuff, we didn't get into much detail. He said sounds like a good direction but for now I should pray about it and he could discuss with me courtship itself at another time, maybe in a few weeks.

    I tried really hard not to cry (even though my nerves made me feel sick to my stomach) but I did get a little emotional when he talked about how the Church is not an exclusive club and that my past will in no way "disqualify" me from it.  He said that is not self-righteous to smile or try to meet people and that while people should certainly be selective in who they involve themselves with (friendship, courting etc.) that everyone is still called to treat others as Christ would.  This was very reassuring for me, as I have been most worried about how to "behave" around other people.  Hearing that from someone "In Persona Christi" is a big relief.  He did say not to introduce myself as unwed and just answer if someone asks me.  


    Also, to those of you who have asked me about the specific church/priest (either in the personal messages or here) please do not think I am ignoring you if I don't answer right away.  I know that I have already given up the expectation of privacy by posting so much information on a public forum, but I feel right now it is better to at least try to maintain at least a tiny bit of anonymity, just for my own peace.

     I know that with the information I have given already it wouldn't be to hard to figure out where I went today, but I guess if someone does that, at this point I'd rather not know. This is all so incredibly new to me and I'm a bit paranoid about who to trust. That isn't a dig on anyone (I know you're all great people!) It is just that I have noticed that I have been given (through pm) a lot of contradictory ideas, and to some degree, advice about things I've discussed here. There isn't a fully unified view from all the posters and I need a little more time to digest things and I decide for sure what I believe personally. By no means am I rejecting the sedevacantist position, it is just that it is a huge leap from NO, and there wasn't enough time to really get into the specific beliefs of the CMRI with the priest yet.

    Another thing is that a few months ago I posted on another forum some things that really upset some people and one person in particular was really relentless in trying to get me to say the name of my Novus Ordo parish, and I am suspicious there was a motive for it. Even if the NO church is a bad thing, I'd really prefer not to be publicly ex-communicated (which would cause a lot of turmoil in my personal life considering some people already think I am becoming "radical") and I don't want the NO priest who first discussed Traditionalism with me to get in trouble either. I'm a little paranoid, because I haven't yet been able to shake the feeling that I am rebelling.  Being raised a cafeteria NO Catholic, it is a hard thing to do even if it is objectively the "right" thing.


    I feel in a sense that like I am walking down a very dark hallway (sort of like that narrow path we need to follow for salvation) and I know that if I keep walking straight I will get to where I need to be, but if I take off and run, I risk hitting a wall. I don't want to hit a wall.  So I hope there is patience with me as I share my journey and try to figure this all out.

    I feel so blessed to have had so many prayers. It definitely helped nudge me over the edge so I could put this in motion.  

    I have a ton of scripture (and other things) to read, and I am feeling pretty anxious.  I think I will go to mass at this church on Sunday, but then after that I might choose somewhere closer just because of cost of travel.  I'll have to pray on it.  




    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25


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    « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 03:00:50 PM »
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  • Penitent Woman,

    God has certainly blessed you quite nicely if you live near a CMRI Church!!!!  Many who assist at their Holy Masses have driven for over an hour or two or even more.  

    Before Vatican II, every Catholic Church out there was like the CMRI today.  I certainly do think you would do yourself a huge favor, spiritually, by not going to the novus ordo at all but for a few weeks in a row, go to both on the same Sunday.  If you have the chance, and if you have the time, dress appropriately for the early CMRI Holy Mass then go home and loosen up a little so you won't stand out like a sore thumb while attending the novus ordo service.  Check out the differences yourself.  Look at the reverence, beauty and integrity of the CMRI Holy Mass.  Then look around at the novus ordo and see how everyone just seems to be so bored.  Those bored people aren't bad people, they just don't understand that their church is literally under enemy occupation.  

    You do have me curious about one thing.  What did your novus ordo priest tell you about tradition?  Was he dismissive or insulting?  Or condescending?

    Congrats and God Bless on being near a CMRI Church!!!!   :cheers:

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    « Reply #12 on: July 11, 2012, 03:07:53 PM »
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  • You don't owe anyone any explanations.  Essentially we are strangers here and you are wise to be cautious in revealing information for you and your daughter's sake.

    The transition to tradition is not an easy one and that is why I posted the diverse traditional groups.  Many years ago when I left the N.O. I started at the Indult.  The shift is disrupting enough and a gradual approach is sometimes best.  I made my way to the Society and an independent and have had contact with CMRI and FSSP along the way.  I tend to move more fluidly between groups than others.

    The most important thing is a valid priest and valid Sacraments. You need the supernatural grace for the spiritual life. The rest will be up to the individual.  A supportive community is nice but not essential.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #13 on: July 11, 2012, 03:24:30 PM »
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  • PW,  I agree absolutely with your decision to do your best to preserve your privacy.  I can understand how you felt a need to reach out here to your fellow Catholics and you have received much good advice here but do guard your privacy as well as you can now.  

    If I were you I would not tell anyone on this forum or any other any clues as to what parish/priest you visited just so as to preserve your privacy.  Privacy on these forums is a protection for you and your daughter.  Trusting those who post is one thing, but remember that there are many lurkers and you have absolutely no way to see into their minds and hearts.  Even a poster can be someone other than what you think.  They can create whatever persona they want online, can't they? Keep up your guard.  Guard your heart, your mind and your soul.    

    BTW,  getting off of Facebook is excellent advice.  Oh, I know it's not easy.  I have a daughter in the vicinity of your age (see how I keep my privacy and hers by not telling you how old she is) and we are frequently having the conversation about the dangers of facebook.  It is a time-waster (as well this forum can be) and there are many problems with facebook, but right now speaking of wasting time, I'd better get back to work.

    My best wishes to you and your little girl!  Congratulations on making that important step to meet with a Traditional Catholic priest.  You received excellent advice.  I especially love how the priest told you not to introduce yourself as an unwed mother.  That was very fatherly advice.  Keep it on a need to know basis and most whom you meet will have no need to know.   God bless you.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 11, 2012, 04:02:58 PM »
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  • One more thing I forgot to mention.  Becoming traditional doesn't happen overnight.  It's a long learning process. Usually there is a trigger that causes the initial shift.  For me it was the Mass.  I had been trying to attend the N.O. but feeling a sense of emptiness and despair in it.  I happened on the Indult by accident. I had no idea what a Tridentine was. I thought it was Eastern Rite. I was there all of 30 seconds and knew I was home even though I didn't understand Latin and had no clue what was going on.  I never went back to the N.O.

    For you, it sounds like the initial attraction is cultural?  In the end it doesn't matter because God gets our attention however He sees fit.  But, there is far more to tradition than the Mass and culture.  When you start learning the theology, the old catechism, the lives of the saints, the process of the spiritual life, the prayers, the novenas, everything, you will see for yourself that the N.O. really is a different faith.  Once that realization comes you will be on your way.

    Converts never entirely wipe out the traces of their origin.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.  Knowing the opposite, or other side or whatever it's called brings a deeper level of appreciation for what you've gained and understanding in evangelizing others.  I would even say a zeal.  Of course cradle Trads can have that too but more likely the sense of tradition is so normal it is taken for granted.

    You will have little embarrassments and a faux pas or two along the way.  You don't say Amen after Communion like in the N.O.  Trust me on this one.  Still to this day I see little things here or there and get frustrated because I feel like should know everything being a lifelong Catholic.  Be patient with yourself. You are learning a new Faith. Pace yourself so you don't get overwhelmed and burn out.

    I think it might be good to start a book/resource list thread for you and others converting to Tradition.  
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31