Quote from: Nadir

Oh good! Does that mean you might answer my twice-asked polite, friendly and caring-for-your-eternal-salvation questions?

Maybe I missed your answer. Or maybe you're just using the post so you can have a little fun with the oh so dull and boring trads.

The questions are: What is your aim or goal in life? Are you planning on spending your eternity in eternal fun. See how silly it sounds. Jesus didn't come so we could have lots of fun.

Do you believe in Hell? I ask this because I know NOrdites who don't. Maybe you are one of them.

Sorry Nadir. First time I'm seeing these.  I have limited blocks of time to be online so I usually skim around as best I can.

My aim or goal in life is to get to Heaven. This is why I'm asking questions to find out how best to get there. Eternity in Heaven will be far beyond fun or anything we can imagine, as our Lord says.

Any catechism or Traditional priest worth his salt teaches the need for rest, recreation and joy in the Christian life. My questions boil down to this essential one: what activities do Trads believe one can participate in for relaxation, recreation, joy and yes, fun, when they have spare time or on Sundays? There seems to be a lot of stereotypes out there and I want to get at whether all of these things are stereotypes or are some of them true, and if they are, what are the reasons for them.

I do most certainly believe in Hell and would very much like to avoid going there.

Santo Subito, thank you for answering my questions. I can understand that you could miss it once but twice ... I suppose if there were less fruitless bickering here, you might have found my two other posts more easily.

It seems to me that you live in two worlds, so to speak. The NO and tradtition. Am I right?

I grew up in the Catholic Church before it was divided. NO and tradition had not even been conceived in the minds of us simple Catholics. It was a time of relatively less danger to morals than today, but certainly not without grave risks. But our guidelines were clearer. And there were more safety nets. Nowadays the young are thrown to the sharks, and come up missing chunks of themselves, emotionally and spiritually and sometimes physically.

I can understand also that if you are from a NO background Trads might seem not to have much fun. And some can be stiff and starchy.

So you are trying to find out how best way to get to Heaven. You are aware then that there are certain activities that must be avoided and others that could be encouraged in order to better your chances of achieving your goal. I guess you would know in your own heart what these are.
 
I'm pleased you brought up "the need for rest, recreation and joy in the Christian life". I find these notions more fitting with your goal. than the notion of fun. Of course everybody likes to have fun, to be light and carefree. But as Catholics we must always remember the more serious side.

Fun is for each person something different. What might be fun for you (eg playing tennis) might for me be the thing I would most dislike. Generally tennis could be regarded as clean and healthy fun and a good way to mix with the opposite sex without strings being attached prematurely, if you get my drift. This ought to be avoided.

Another way to have a more meanigful and social free time, is to join some sort of group which cares for others. You can be earning brownie points for Heaven at the same time as becoming a more mature and caring person and meet lovely people into the bargain.

I remember you asked something like. A guy is supposed to court a girl in the presence of her parents? and asked the question "How does that work?" You talk as if the family is an alien concept to you and I wonder about that.  

Well actually it is the best way to observe a girl at her most natural self, because in the family she must be herself. You get to observe how she treats her parents, her mother, her father and other members. This tells a lot. You take the time to build trust.

Unfortunately today there is an unnatural alienation between the generations set in motion by the masonic governments in your country and in most all around the world and propagated by the education system and the media, which has severly tarnished Catholics and Catholic family life.

That's just a few thoughts for you,.

God bless you Santo Subito

I see Catherine has not come back.  Smart girl.

Touché Monsieur. Touché.

Here is a question that myself and many NO friends have regarding the living and conversion to Traditional life. I'm hoping that those on the board can either confirm, or dispel each of these conceptions a lot of Novus Ordites have about living Tradition day to day. A lot of the things on this list scare them off.

1.) One cannot listen to ANY modern music including rock and pop. Basically anything from the 1950's on that was played on the radio is off limits. This limits all music listening to strictly classical and non 60's folk music. Listening to Jazz is forbidden as are the Blues as they are improvisational and non traditional forms of music. Would swing music be acceptable to listen to? Or is this also a non traditional or ordered form of music?

2.) One cannot dance at all besides square dancing or traditional ethnic dancing like Greek traditional dancing, Irish step dancing, etc. What about swing dancing? Ballroom dancing? What about salsa or merengue?

3.) One cannot watch any modern movies, or television shows. The only movies acceptable to watch are Catholic religious movies and cartoons and only those that were not produced after 1965. Besides that even musicals are off limits, such as Sound of Music (see BW). One is forbidden to have cable in one's house.

4.) Only books from Pre-VCII Catholic authors are to be read unless the books are about math or botany or something with no religious, philosophical, or moral elements. No modern fiction is allowed. Older pre-approved fiction may be allowed such as Shakespeare, or classics, etc. All modern magazines and newspapers are to be avoided except Traditional Catholic ones as they are all liberal propaganda or are imbibed to a greater or lesser degree with corrupting influence. I suppose one should get all news from Catholic Family News, or Remnant, etc?

5.) One can never go to a pool or beach since, in our modern world, there will certainly be immodestly dressed people there who will serve as scandal and near occasion of sin. Therefore no beach trips or water parks for vacations, ever. No pool memberships. No child can ever join a swim team or take up swimming as a competitive sport for the same reason.

6.) No dating. No taking a girl out to a restaurant alone as all dates must be chaperoned if dating occurs at all. Young people must always do things in groups or else it would be a near occasion of sin. I suppose to "court" the young man would be invited to hang out with the young lady's family? Not sure how this works.

7.) No video games. Even if the video game itself is not sɛҳuąƖ, violent , or otherwise bad, it causes addiction and wastes time and sucks one into a virtual unreal world. Same goes for internet. Unless you have a filter that you cannot get around that is imposed on the outside, you should never use the internet because it is a constant near occasion of sin.

8.) Women can never wear pants at any time, for any reason. Even for outside physical labor or chores.

9.) Women should never play sports because it provokes masculine competitive attitudes.

10.) Women should not go to college or get any advanced degrees (see BW).

11.) Young men should not seek to go to university or any advanced profession. Instead they should seek blue collar jobs or "real work" with their hands.

12.) One should have no close relationships with non-Traditional Catholics as it would be a near occasion of sin to lose one's faith if one hung out in a non-Catholic environment with non-Catholic friends for too long. Same thing with NO Catholics. They are best to be socially avoided. Therefore any socialization should be limited to other Traditional Catholics.

As a result of the above notions, many NO Catholics, otherwise predisposed to a Traditional piety, avoid the Traditional life. Are the above notions correct or incorrect?

Also, regardless, what is it that Traditional Catholics do for fun? Is there any joy or levity in the Traditional Catholic life?

Thank you in advance for any constructive answers. These questions have been weighing on me for some time.

God bless.

If Fun entails risking your immortal soul - then no.

Quote from: Santo Subito

Here is a question that myself and many NO friends have regarding the living and conversion to Traditional life. I'm hoping that those on the board can either confirm, or dispel each of these conceptions a lot of Novus Ordites have about living Tradition day to day. A lot of the things on this list scare them off.

1.) One cannot listen to ANY modern music including rock and pop. Basically anything from the 1950's on that was played on the radio is off limits. This limits all music listening to strictly classical and non 60's folk music. Listening to Jazz is forbidden as are the Blues as they are improvisational and non traditional forms of music. Would swing music be acceptable to listen to? Or is this also a non traditional or ordered form of music?

2.) One cannot dance at all besides square dancing or traditional ethnic dancing like Greek traditional dancing, Irish step dancing, etc. What about swing dancing? Ballroom dancing? What about salsa or merengue?

3.) One cannot watch any modern movies, or television shows. The only movies acceptable to watch are Catholic religious movies and cartoons and only those that were not produced after 1965. Besides that even musicals are off limits, such as Sound of Music (see BW). One is forbidden to have cable in one's house.

4.) Only books from Pre-VCII Catholic authors are to be read unless the books are about math or botany or something with no religious, philosophical, or moral elements. No modern fiction is allowed. Older pre-approved fiction may be allowed such as Shakespeare, or classics, etc. All modern magazines and newspapers are to be avoided except Traditional Catholic ones as they are all liberal propaganda or are imbibed to a greater or lesser degree with corrupting influence. I suppose one should get all news from Catholic Family News, or Remnant, etc?

5.) One can never go to a pool or beach since, in our modern world, there will certainly be immodestly dressed people there who will serve as scandal and near occasion of sin. Therefore no beach trips or water parks for vacations, ever. No pool memberships. No child can ever join a swim team or take up swimming as a competitive sport for the same reason.

6.) No dating. No taking a girl out to a restaurant alone as all dates must be chaperoned if dating occurs at all. Young people must always do things in groups or else it would be a near occasion of sin. I suppose to "court" the young man would be invited to hang out with the young lady's family? Not sure how this works.

7.) No video games. Even if the video game itself is not sɛҳuąƖ, violent , or otherwise bad, it causes addiction and wastes time and sucks one into a virtual unreal world. Same goes for internet. Unless you have a filter that you cannot get around that is imposed on the outside, you should never use the internet because it is a constant near occasion of sin.

8.) Women can never wear pants at any time, for any reason. Even for outside physical labor or chores.

9.) Women should never play sports because it provokes masculine competitive attitudes.

10.) Women should not go to college or get any advanced degrees (see BW).

11.) Young men should not seek to go to university or any advanced profession. Instead they should seek blue collar jobs or "real work" with their hands.

12.) One should have no close relationships with non-Traditional Catholics as it would be a near occasion of sin to lose one's faith if one hung out in a non-Catholic environment with non-Catholic friends for too long. Same thing with NO Catholics. They are best to be socially avoided. Therefore any socialization should be limited to other Traditional Catholics.

As a result of the above notions, many NO Catholics, otherwise predisposed to a Traditional piety, avoid the Traditional life. Are the above notions correct or incorrect?

Also, regardless, what is it that Traditional Catholics do for fun? Is there any joy or levity in the Traditional Catholic life?

Thank you in advance for any constructive answers. These questions have been weighing on me for some time.

God bless.

If Fun entails risking your immortal soul - then no.

Very good response!

I have plenty of fun like biking, jogging, hunting, fishing, camping, traveling, reading, drinking a beer or two with friends, playing with my dog, enjoying scenery, enjoying a good restaurant, etc, etc, etc,.  But if you were to ask me to listen to KISS or Metalica I'd tell you to leave.

Actually, I just finished my homemade blizzard consisting of vanilla ice cream and resees peanut butter cups.

Isn't a good rule to follow that we seek first the Kingdom of God?  If we seek Him in all things, including our recreation, we will be having fun and serving Him?

I interpretted the questions as demeaning rather than slanderous.  It would be akin to asking a Mormom man "Is it OK for a Mormon man to not have multiple child brides?" or a even a black American "Do all of you eat fried chicken and watermelon?"  I'm not convinced the questions are sincere.  Sounds like more work from the good people in Steubenville.

We all have free will.  We can do whatever we want.  You don't have to get permission from the Trad Council before going to an immoral movie or listening to profane rap music.  But we all will account for every single thing we did in our lives and all that we failed to do.  

Don't ask yourself if other people approve of your behavior.  This is human respect and is condemned.  We must worry about offending Our Lord and His Mother.  

Ask yourself "Would I feel comfortable with the Blessed Mother joining me in this activity?  Would I feel ashamed if Christ were watching me?"