Author Topic: Cleavage.... (Read 14734 times)

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #75 on:** July 08, 2012, 03:01:33 PM »

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His books were recommended to me on another forum.

Was this forum "Catholic" Answers, by any chance?

Well I can't imagine why you'd think that. :wink:

This is actually an offshoot group for women only.

inprincipio · « **Reply #76 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »

Proverbs 22:11 22 A golden ring in a swine’s snout, a woman fair and foolish.

inprincipio · « **Reply #77 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:40:45 PM »

Saint John Chrysostom instructed women of all times about dress when in the fourth century he declared:

“You carry your snare everywhere and spread your nets in all places. You allege that you never invited others to sin. You did not, indeed, by your words, but you have done so by your dress and your deportment … When you have made another sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? Tell me, whom does this world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink poison or those who prepare it and administer the fatal potion? You have prepared the abominable cup, you have given the death-dealing drink, and you are more criminal than are those who poison the body; you murder not the body but the soul. And it is not to enemies you do this, nor are you urged on by any imaginary necessity, nor provoked by injury, but out of foolish vanity and pride.”

theology101 · « **Reply #78 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:50:27 AM »

What I find to be much, much worse is that parents often dress their little girls more immodestly than themselves. I'm sorry, but no eight year old girl should be wearing short shorts with the word "juicy" written across the butt...

inprincipio · « **Reply #79 on:** July 13, 2012, 07:50:10 PM »

This is what "cleavage" can cause. AND it is NOT funny! See 1:38-1:49

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

theology101 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 13, 2012, 08:14:16 PM »

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This is what "cleavage" can cause. AND it is NOT funny! See 1:38-1:49

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

O my goodness. Well, the baby was funny, I thought. Quick towel work by the one guy. And I like the way that one kid was like, 'meh' when he didn't get communion. As for the priest who dropped the Host, I can only assume that he was very trad and wanted only his sanctified hands touching the Sacred Body... of Christ, that is.

:scratchchin:

inprincipio · « **Reply #81 on:** July 13, 2012, 09:12:58 PM »

I was also thinking that the priest should have used a patten.

Catechist99 · « **Reply #82 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:44:05 PM »

I must confess that I was one of those women with cleavage. In my defense I was raised by apostate parents and was never even a Christian until I was 30. I'm ashamed to admit that even after I became a traditionalist I still dressed immodestly out of ignorance. And my husband didn't complain rather he complimented it. We were both wrong and the proof of that were the numerous occasions that other men "hit on" me in public places in my husband's presence.

I am now in my mid 40's and feel incredible pressure to stay "hot" even though I am way past the state of life to be attracting men. At times my husband encourages me to dress sexy even though it is sinful. I'm not blaming him for my choices but I would say that even trads still want a hot wife. This is NOT the teaching of the faith at all.

Married women, especially mothers, should NOT be sexy or hot. Period. They may maintain facial beauty with moderate cosmetics, but they must conceal rather than reveal their bodies. Outside of mass a woman may adorn and dress her hair, wear perfume and tasteful Jєωelry. It took me many years to learn this on my own because my own mother is very immodest.

Ladies, our goal should be to reflect grace, purity, and good health with our appearance.

MrsZ · « **Reply #83 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:26:43 PM »

Catechist99: I sympathize with you. I think many H's think that they're wives need to dress "hot" for them in and out of the house. Many of them take pride in the knowledge that other men think their wives' are attractive. But that is in fact encouraging the sins of lust and covetousness. Pride and vanity are in there as well.

I think we've lost sight of the way things used to be. Now everything is about being "hot." Which is a sɛҳuąƖ term. But women used to be and can be nice looking without expressly looking "hot."

I think the only way to deal with this in a marriage is to express your reasons for not wanting to dress in an immodest way in public (or even in your house in front of your children) ... but that you will dress more alluringly for your H while in private.

I also have struggled with that issue .. because if your H is getting all his "information" about what is "hot" on the street or t.v. and movies .. is it appropriate for a W to dress like that, even in the privacy of one's own bedroom?

Think of any lovely, God-fearing woman from the past, who spends her days caring for her children, maybe her elderly mother, gives food to the poor, attends daily Mass, serves her H and cares for her home .. all while dressing very modestly ....

And then what? She's going to dress like a streetwalker for her H in their bedroom? I'm sorry, that just doesn't seem to be the right thing to do.

A H's lusts can be fed by inordinate attention to what "other women" are wearing and I'm just not sure a W is supposed to put herself into some kind of competition with them to please her H.

I see old movies showing lovely women wearing very feminine, modest nightgowns / dressing gowns. They don't go out in these clothes. But they are reserved for privacy in their own rooms. I think there are ways to be very, very attractive in the bedroom .. without degrading oneself to keep a H's interest.

That's my hope anyway.

Sorry, you didn't exactly mention that aspect ..but the talk about clothing in general made me think of that other thing that many Christians think is fine.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #84 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:45:59 PM »

I've wondered about what is acceptable night time attire for married ladies. I wish I had a tradtional Mom to share those things with me. I would imagine men who are attracted to modesty would still desire very tasteful and feminine nightgowns.

Catechist99 · « **Reply #85 on:** July 25, 2012, 08:20:53 AM »

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I've wondered about what is acceptable night time attire for married ladies. I wish I had a tradtional Mom to share those things with me. I would imagine men who are attracted to modesty would still desire very tasteful and feminine nightgowns.

Anything feminine, meaning the opposite of masculine, would be appealing to a man. Soft flowing fabrics, pale and shimmery colors, and curves, lots of curves which would mean flounces and ruffles. Lace is uniquely feminine.

The Vermont Store has many affordable yet gorgeous modest nightgowns with matching robes. I know men love when women "match" their undergarments so the same must be true for the sleeping garments. My H's favorite sleeping outfit of mine was a multi-blue colored long cotton gown with matching long sleeve robe. It had a cabbage rose design. He always commented when I wore that. I recently bought a nightie/robe combo in black satin and lace and he has never once complimented me. After becoming aware that it was inappropriate to wear in front of my son's I purchased a cheap pink floral zip up housecoat and H immediately complimented me the first time he saw it.

Go figure.