Quote from: spouse of Jesus

If you ask him he will say:' I am open-minded, I am modern, logical and up-to date. I see my wife as a human person with freedom of choice,she is an adult who knows what is best for her and can decide. spouses have to respect eachother's views and opinions." etc. He is himself as brainwashed as his wife.
  If a guy feels the social pressure to appear ''progressed'' and ''modern'' he will force his wife to dress like that.

I've never seen a guy force a woman to dress like a whore but you are definitely right about the guys who allow this having liberal views.

Maybe not "force" but many husbands encourage their wives to dress indecently.  The worldly view is often completely opposite of morality.

Folks, we need to redouble our efforts to make reparation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary Who are so deeply offended by sins of impurity.

May God have mercy on us poor sinners and on our sinful world!

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: alaric

What is is with men these days approving their wives exposing themselves like this?

There are no men, just a bunch of weenies, pansies, or closet sodomites. Any man that has no courage to stand up to a woman in my opinion should be ashamed of himself and not call himself a man.

  If you ask him he will say:' I am open-minded, I am modern, logical and up-to date. I see my wife as a human person with freedom of choice,she is an adult who knows what is best for her and can decide. spouses have to respect eachother's views and opinions." etc. He is himself as brainwashed as his wife.
  If a guy feels the social pressure to appear ''progressed'' and ''modern'' he will force his wife to dress like that.

 

We used to have a word for guys like that where I come from.

But for decency and respect for the forum, I will not repeat it here.

And I don't think any guy is really that "brainwashed" to believe what you just said.

It's more like he's a spineless and mush when it comes to his domineering wife.

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: alaric

What is is with men these days approving their wives exposing themselves like this?

There are no men, just a bunch of weenies, pansies, or closet sodomites. Any man that has no courage to stand up to a woman in my opinion should be ashamed of himself and not call himself a man.

  If you ask him he will say:' I am open-minded, I am modern, logical and up-to date. I see my wife as a human person with freedom of choice,she is an adult who knows what is best for her and can decide. spouses have to respect eachother's views and opinions." etc. He is himself as brainwashed as his wife.
  If a guy feels the social pressure to appear ''progressed'' and ''modern'' he will force his wife to dress like that.

 

We used to have a word for guys like that where I come from.

But for decency and respect for the forum, I will not repeat it here.

And I don't think any guy is really that "brainwashed" to believe what you just said.

It's more like he's a spineless and mush when it comes to his domineering wife.

I think one needs to be very careful.  The feminists dress that way deliberately to get someones attention.  Any comments like 'flirts' and what have you will be taken as 'ok', but any objectionable remarks, criticisms, or disagreeable comments will be their chance to turn the situation around and have the guy arrested and accused of 'harassment'. Those are the 'thought police' who would claim we can't 'force our morals down their throats', but find it perfectly acceptable to prance their immoral code of conduct where ever they go.  I used to think: "those woman don't go to my church", but not too long ago, while standing in the confessional line I see the church start to fill up with people and low and behold: A young maiden with her boy friend.  She was wearing on of those 'spaghetti strap 'tiny black dresses' with no sleeves  :shocked:and had to be constantly 'pulling it down' as she knew full well it was too short and too tight. To top it off: No veil.  And people would look at me goofy when I said "the spirit of traditionalism is rapidly evaporating from this church".  I wondered then: Should I tell her to leave and return with some clothes on?  After all I'm in what is typically known as a traditional Catholic Chapel.  On another thought, there were two very trad minded woman certainly with in better eye-shot of this person and would have had more 'impact' than me.  What would you have done?  Suggest she take your place in the confessional line and you go sit down?  I don't know.... :geezer:

I don't know why y'all are looking for psychological reasons why men don't "make" women dress more modestly. Brainwashed, spineless, mush etc... Are we talking about trad men or worldy men?

Trad men might be spineless if they know better but do not correct their wives and daughters. That I can see and it's often true.

But worldy men ruled by their passions actually like immodest dress. They aren't fighting their passions and trying to overcome them like the men contributing here so it's no skin off their backs. They love immodest dress and encourage it wholeheartedly. There's no psychobabble necessary on that one, it's pretty cut and dry. Cleavage? Yes please. And immoral women will correspond.  

I've been pleasantly surprised to see some women walking the trail in long skirts recently.  They look quite nice.  Maybe there's a style change?

I wouldn't hold my breath, Tele.  I went to lunch late as I usually do and saw a gaggle of girls, children really that probably weren't over the age of sixteen, wearing tissue-thin "summer dresses" of scandalous brevity.  Their chaperone: a middle-aged woman with cosmetic veneers, highlights in her hair, wearing a spaghetti-strap tank and shorts just this side of daisies.  Nope, girls are learning it early and learning it at home, and I don't see it stopping or even slowing down.

I don't know why y'all are looking for psychological reasons why men don't "make" women dress more modestly. Brainwashed, spineless, mush etc... Are we talking about trad men or worldy men?

Trad men might be spineless if they know better but do not correct their wives and daughters. That I can see and it's often true.

But worldy men ruled by their passions actually like immodest dress. They aren't fighting their passions and trying to overcome them like the men contributing here so it's no skin off their backs. They love immodest dress and encourage it wholeheartedly. There's no psychobabble necessary on that one, it's pretty cut and dry. Cleavage? Yes please. And immoral women will correspond.  

We're talking men in general across all cultures and worldviews.

Sometimes I think that trads, male and female, have this misconception that Traditional Catholicism is the only setting for true modesty and high morality.

This couldn't be more wrong. You can check around the globe and outside of maybe primitive Africa and parts of Asia women were held accountable for their appearance, modesty, humility and general respect for the social mores of their respective cultures. There are plenty of non-Catholic men, heck non-Christian men that hold their women to a certain standard of respect and modesty in their dress and the way they carry themselves.

It is more here in the Judaic, counter-culture, pornography addicted "christian" West that women have run amok dressing and acting like two-bit whores.

Most other cultures do not and will not put up with this feminizing, liberation BS.


And their not afraid to tell the women as such.

We're talking men in general across all cultures and worldviews.

Sometimes I think that trads, male and female, have this misconception that Traditional Catholicism is the only setting for true modesty and high morality.

This couldn't be more wrong. You can check around the globe and outside of maybe primitive Africa and parts of Asia women were held accountable for their appearance, modesty, humility and general respect for the social mores of their respective cultures. There are plenty of non-Catholic men, heck non-Christian men that hold their women to a certain standard of respect and modesty in their dress and the way they carry themselves.

It is more here in the Judaic, counter-culture, pornography addicted "christian" West that women have run amok dressing and acting like two-bit whores.

Most other cultures do not and will not put up with this feminizing, liberation BS.


And their not afraid to tell the women as such.

Despite the similar effect (modest dress and chaste behavior), radically the cause could not be more different, as far as those other cultures are concerned.  For the most part, those cultures demand modesty of a woman so as to protect their place as chattel of the man to which they are attached in whatever social custom passes for matrimony there.  Furthermore, it's ludicrous to argue that adherence to any cultural norms not founded upon the Christian religion as being indicative of morality, and such actions cannot be construed as being of the same personal sanctity which Christianity engenders.  This is especially true in Asian cultures, where illicit sɛҳuąƖ activity is looked upon as an affront to honor rather than morality, and where abortion is a non-taboo even among nominal Christians.