Author Topic: Church Teaching Regarding Children (Read 3820 times)

Quasimodo · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2013, 07:20:36 AM »

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If you conceive is it not Gods will? If the baby dies prematurely is it not Gods will? It's up to God if a baby ends up in limbo.

Then is it God's will for babies to be conceived outside of marriage?

I was unaware that we were discussing illicit relationships. Based on the original post I thought we were talking about marriage and the marital act.
God doesn't will that people fornicate. Can life be created against Gods will?

Matthew · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2013, 12:06:23 PM »

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Quote from: Zeitun
Quote from: Quasimodo
If you conceive is it not Gods will? If the baby dies prematurely is it not Gods will? It's up to God if a baby ends up in limbo.

Then is it God's will for babies to be conceived outside of marriage?

I was unaware that we were discussing illicit relationships. Based on the original post I thought we were talking about marriage and the marital act.
God doesn't will that people fornicate. Can life be created against Gods will?

You're talking about God's permissive will.

Everything has to happen by God's permissive will at least, or it wouldn't happen.

But God never wills that we sin.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2013, 12:13:59 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Quasimodo
Quote from: Zeitun
Quote from: Quasimodo
If you conceive is it not Gods will? If the baby dies prematurely is it not Gods will? It's up to God if a baby ends up in limbo.

Then is it God's will for babies to be conceived outside of marriage?

I was unaware that we were discussing illicit relationships. Based on the original post I thought we were talking about marriage and the marital act.
God doesn't will that people fornicate. Can life be created against Gods will?

You're talking about God's permissive will.

Everything has to happen by God's permissive will at least, or it wouldn't happen.

But God never wills that we sin.

He permissively wills sin, though-- which is another way to say He allows it. Just seemed odd that you would make that distinction about God's permissive will at the beginning of your post and then simply say that God does not will sin (without the qualifier). Perhaps that's what you meant.

Easy way to think about it: All good=God's positive will. All evil=God's permissive will.

Raphael · « **Reply #23 on:** July 04, 2013, 12:18:09 PM »

I agree that the word "grave" needs to be defined.

Didn't Pius XII say something about economic reasons? Or was that meaning in a Depression?

We've had priests (yes, plural) tell us to use NFP because we had children year after year. One even said to use it for 2 years.

I wonder how many children you all have. It's kind of easy to be an armchair referee when you don't have many children, or they are naturally spaced so by the time you have 9, your oldest is in late teens. The parents now-a-days have way more on their plate than back in the day (homeschooling, no Catholic family support, high costs, etc). NFP could be evil if it's abused. I know, I know...I'm not going to go on about NFP. Not at all. Just a comment I had to share.

Tiffany · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2013, 01:10:50 PM »

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We've had priests (yes, plural) tell us to use NFP because we had children year after year. One even said to use it for 2 years.

Where is the shakes head smiley!