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Offline Pelele

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Christmas Tree yes or not
« on: December 08, 2013, 12:58:42 PM »
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  • Is it a Catholic tradition? Should a Catholic have one in the house? Has the Church approved of it? Is it a sin?

    The Dimonds say one should not have a Christmas tree.


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    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 01:12:38 PM »
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  • Actually, Christmas trees symbolize the Tree of Discernment. They were used in the Adam & Eve celebrations. After Martin Luther banned the feast, he incorporated the tree into Christmas celebrations.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 01:24:23 PM »
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  • I have no Christmas tree or decorations in my house. Don't want them.
    btw someone is doing a lot of down thumbing for some reason.
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    « Reply #3 on: December 08, 2013, 02:05:54 PM »
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  • The first German Catholic parish and its immigrants in the United States imported the Christmas tree and are responsible for it's introduction in the US. Catholics can and do adapt cultural customs and make them their own, it's our way.

    I love having a real tree, we have one but it is outside and we will put it up closer to Christmas.


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    « Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 02:45:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    I have no Christmas tree or decorations in my house. Don't want them.
    btw someone is doing a lot of down thumbing for some reason.
     :furtive:


    Someone who loves to CELEBRATE Christmas!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 08, 2013, 03:02:48 PM »
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  • It's family tradition since 1978, Aunt Fran supplies a live Christmas tree, later, gets planted in a worthy place.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 03:51:18 PM »
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  • Almost everything the Diamonds say is suspect.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 08, 2013, 04:15:16 PM »
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  • I love a Christmas tree with my Angel on top and I will continue to do so.  I have my crib in the kitchen with lights around it and most people who come to my home come to the heart of it ....the kitchen and see my crib.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 07:13:00 PM »
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  • We put up a Christmas tree on Christmas Eve, never before.  A few years ago, our weekend before Christmas tradition was going to cut a tree, but now all the trees are gone by then.  Yesterday, we cut our tree and it is sitting in our back yard.  We will put it up on Christmas Eve.  Our family decorates and we play Christmas carols.  We have always done this and we will continue to do so.  

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    « Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 07:19:39 PM »
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  • My family always has a Christmas tree.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 07:28:43 PM »
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  • I understood the "Trick or Treating: yes or no?" thread but CHRISTMAS TREES?  Are you serious?

    Figures it would be the Dimond brothers against such a thing. Everything they say is suspect, and they are:

    fringe
    out of the ballpark
    wacko
    nutjobs
    un-Catholic
    "their own Pope", if ever that charge was warranted

    ...and in more ways than I can count.

    Suffice to say that the Dimond Brothers' "Catholic Sense" is broken.

    In my strongest language, I recommend that everyone who values his soul AVOID
    "most holy family monastery" and the Dimond brothers at all costs.


    The Christmas Tree is a Christian and Catholic custom, which happened to come out of Germany.
    NOT having a Christmas Tree would place one's sanity and Catholic sense "on trial".
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    « Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 07:33:48 PM »
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  • Many legends and old traditions concerning the Christmas tree date back to very ancient times, but historical docuмentation of its origins as the tree we know and decorate today only appeared in recent centuries.

    There is no doubt, however, that legends and traditions show the convergence of many customs, some born outside the Christian culture and others strictly Christian. We will consider here some of the most important ones that were forerunners of the Christmas tree.

    Since very ancient times even primitive people would take evergreen plants and flowers into their huts, seeing in them a magical or religious significance. The Greeks and Romans decorated their dwellings with ivy. The Celts and Scandinavians preferred mistletoe, but many other evergreen plants such as holly, butcher's broom, laurel and branches of pine or fir were considered to have magical or medicinal powers that would ward off illness. This belief was found especially among the inhabitants of the northern regions with cold climates and long, dark winters; it was almost as if these plants revived thoughts of the coming spring while everything around them lay dormant. Naturally enough, temples were built to the "goddess Flora".

    St Boniface, eighth-century Bishop

    An interesting tradition, part history, part legend and very popular in Germany, claims that the Christmas tree dates back to the eighth century. This legend is based on a historical figure, St Boniface, and even a historical event, the destruction of Odin's oak. St Boniface (675-754) was the English Bishop Winfrid who went to Germany in the eighth century, to Hesse to be precise, to preach the Christian faith as a missionary from the Church of Rome. After a period of apparently successful Gospel preaching, Boniface went to Rome to confer with Pope Gregory II (715-731). After a long absence, he returned to Geismar, Germany, for Christmas 723, and felt personally offended on discovering that the Germans had reverted to their former idolatry of pagan divinities and were preparing to celebrate the winter solstice by sacrificing a young man under Odin's sacred oak tree. Fired by holy anger, as was Moses by the golden calf, Bishop Boniface took up an axe and dared to cut down the oak. This courageous, historically docuмented act meant the triumph of Christianity in Germany over the pagan divinities.

    All this is historically docuмented. The rest belongs to the legend which tells how, at the first blow of the axe, a strong gust of wind instantly brought down 1he tree. The astounded Germans fearfully recognized the hand of God in this event and humbly asked Boniface how they should celebrate Christmas. The Bishop, the legend continues, pointed to a small fir tree that had miraculously remained upright and intact beside the debris and broken branches of the fallen oak. Boniface was familiar with the popular custom of taking an evergreen plant into the house in winter and asked everyone to take home a fir tree. This tree signifies peace, and as an evergreen it also symbolizes immortality; with its top pointing upwards, it additionally indicates heaven, the dwelling place of God.

    Another legend is constituted by a famous hawthorn called the "Holy Thorn" that was found at Glastonbury Abbey in England and flowers at Christmas time. It was venerated as a "sacred relic" because a legend claims that it derived from a sprig that came from Jesus' crown of thorns.

    The legendary hawthorn survived for many centuries a was honored as a sacred relic. This flowering bush made a contribution of its own to the idea of a tree associated with the Christmas feast day.

    The birth of the Christmas tree

    The most widespread opinion among scholars is that the Christmas tree as we know it today, decorated and lit with lights, derived from the tree in the earthly Paradise. As its birth place, the left bank of the Rhine is indicated, and especially Alsace. One of the earliest testimonies of this are the registers of the town of Schlettstadt (1521), in which special protection was prescribed for forests on the days prior to Christmas; forest rangers were responsible for punishing anyone who cut down a tree to decorate his house.

    Another docuмent informs us that in Strasbourg, the capital of Alsace, fir trees were sold in the market, to be taken home and decorated.

    From Alsace, the tradition of the Christmas tree spread across Germany and the whole of Europe, and soon even arrived in North America.

    Italy was one of the last countries to accept the Christmas tree, partly because of a rather widespread rumor that the use of Christmas trees was a Protestant practice and should thus be replaced by the crib. However, in Catholic Austria this rumours— declared to be unfounded even by the well-known Protestant theologian, Oscar Cullmann, one of his writings on the Christmas tree — was not accepted, since Trent and the Venetian regions were influenced by Austrian customs as well as the availability of fir trees.

    The tree in St Peter's Square

    Pope Paul VI, of venerable memory, began the tradition of setting up o massive Christmas tree beside the grand crib in St Peter's Square, a gift each year from a different nation.

    Referring to St Boniface's words, we can conclude that the great tree lit by numerous tiny lights can symbolize many Christian values.

    In the days of yore, the primitive people used the wood of fir trees to build their huts in which they lived peacefully. Today the Christmas tree can be the symbol of the peace that Jesus brought, that must be re-established between God and human beings. Because it is evergreen, it is the symbol of that immortality which Jesus said he possessed and would bring to us: "I am the life; those who believe in me even if they die will live". The tree lit by little lights is the symbol of the light that Jesus brought to the world with his birth: "He was the light that shines in the darkness... and enlightens every man..." (cf. Jn 1:4-14). And finally, the fir tree, with its tip pointing to heaven, indicates God's presence to us and the place where we are all awaited.

    All this endows the Christmas tree, in harmony with the crib, with the religious and Christian significance of salvation that the Son of God brought to the whole world by his humble birth.
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    « Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 07:39:39 PM »
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  • And that is why my family, and all my Catholic ancestors, who were Catholic down through the ages (also known as "Tradition"), never failed to have a Christmas tree in their homes.

    Self-made "popes" like the Dimond Bros. try to craft a Catholicism of their own choosing. Maybe they're trying to create an artificial "tradition".

    I'll stick with the REAL tradition -- the one that has been handed down from Catholic father to Catholic son, and was never lost.

    I'll keep my Christmas Tree. Someone else can have the Dimond Brothers (and they can have the false religion they're peddling, to boot!)

    I'd make the same decision about a pound of manure vs. the Dimond Bros. At least the manure is good for soil amendment.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 07:41:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelele


    The Dimonds say one should not have a Christmas tree.


    Then one should most certainly have a Christmas Tree.  

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    « Reply #14 on: December 08, 2013, 09:03:48 PM »
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  • I have refrained from down-thumbing anyone in this thread.  But all of the talk about no trick or treating and no Christmas trees started with prots in my part of the country.  Thus, I look at objections to both as being borne out of heresy.

    But why don't we all engage in these petty discussions, decide individually or in small pockets of groups right and wrong, and we'll be well on our way to protestant-like heresy ourselves.  Maybe one day we'll get so caught up in the petty bs & individual pronouncements that we'll lose sight of Catholic truths such as the Immaculate Conception and then we can have very entertaining debate about whether Christ had a belly button or not.  Yes--I've heard dumb-ass uneducated hick prots debate this and I put discussions such as in this thread merely a notch above that.

    If it was an entrenched custom quite some time before Vatican II that was not denounced, then there's no rightful power on earth to denounce it now.  I think some people have been listening to fundamentalist prots too much.