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You do know that men abuse this natural order of being in charge and have beaten wives because they have had a bad day at work or because they had a few too many drinks or because they are just a bully or because the dinner was not hot enough.  I know plenty of these men and they are not Catholic even if they pretend to be.  Now it is common for women to abuse men by their feminist ways and this disgusts me every bit as much as men abusing their role as fathers and husbands

Well I would hope so, considering that feminism is the main reason right now why America, Canada, and Europe are dying. Once women were able to push men out of the workforce men were then stripped of their responsibilities of being father and husband, and went to prison on account of being in trouble.

What if the man is not bothered about working, what if there is no man, what if he died, what if he left her with kids to run off with another woman.  There are times when the woman has to work unfortunately and it shouldn't be that way but it is there.

Well even in a case like that where the man runs off with another woman, it is usually because the woman in question is wearing erotic clothing to create passion for his desires to go with her.

All men are made in the image and likeness of God.  Yes some are born to lead some are born to work in unskilled areas but that does not take away the responsibility of all men to work towards God and bring his fellow men with him.  One of the sins crying out for vengeance is the exploitation of the poor.  But you think that condemning a race to being treated like they are vermin is fine??????? These people are not let into hospitals, schools and are literally stepped over on the street.  The Indians call them the untouchables and look at them like they are pests.

Well in our own country Blacks and Hispanics show lower intelligence, since when you look at their cranium it has a smaller brain size than those from Europe. Because of this smaller intelligence they perfrom poor in school, one major reason as to why school test scores are at an all-time low, and get low jobs on the totem pole. To them however it is because white Americans "exploit them" and because we are "racist."

To give another example, there is a reason I would never stop my car off the side of the road to pick up a Black or Hispanic hitchhiker and that is because they are more likely to kill me if I let them in my truck.

You know whatever one may think of the British Empire they helped India out infinitely, giving them clean water, roads, hospitals, etc. In fact India wouldn't be advanced enough today had it not been for the British.

I am far from Gloria Steinem than you can get, feminism did nothing for me or my children and I could quite happily burn them if I was allowed.  Feminism caught on very quickly and had fertile ground to work from because of attitudes like yours.  A man can do what he likes according to you as he is head of the family...not so, he has a soul to save and if he treats his wife like a punchbag he will have to answer for it.  Had men been real men as what God wants feminism would not have been a success.

So I assume that to you the whole of human history is oppression of women? In the Islamic world there has never been feminism and you can see the results: a birthrate that just keeps on rising. And feminism would have never happened had there been no Marxism or liberalism in the Western world.

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You do know that men abuse this natural order of being in charge and have beaten wives because they have had a bad day at work or because they had a few too many drinks or because they are just a bully or because the dinner was not hot enough.  I know plenty of these men and they are not Catholic even if they pretend to be.  Now it is common for women to abuse men by their feminist ways and this disgusts me every bit as much as men abusing their role as fathers and husbands

Well I would hope so, considering that feminism is the main reason right now why America, Canada, and Europe are dying. Once women were able to push men out of the workforce men were then stripped of their responsibilities of being father and husband, and went to prison on account of being in trouble.

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What if the man is not bothered about working, what if there is no man, what if he died, what if he left her with kids to run off with another woman.  There are times when the woman has to work unfortunately and it shouldn't be that way but it is there.

Well even in a case like that where the man runs off with another woman, it is usually because the woman in question is wearing erotic clothing to create passion for his desires to go with her.

It just does not occur to you at all that Men can commit sin all by themselves and not always is there a woman to blame.  If a man runs off with another woman both have committed a serious sin and both equally responsible.

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All men are made in the image and likeness of God.  Yes some are born to lead some are born to work in unskilled areas but that does not take away the responsibility of all men to work towards God and bring his fellow men with him.  One of the sins crying out for vengeance is the exploitation of the poor.  But you think that condemning a race to being treated like they are vermin is fine??????? These people are not let into hospitals, schools and are literally stepped over on the street.  The Indians call them the untouchables and look at them like they are pests.

Well in our own country Blacks and Hispanics show lower intelligence, since when you look at their cranium it has a smaller brain size than those from Europe. Because of this smaller intelligence they perfrom poor in school, one major reason as to why school test scores are at an all-time low, and get low jobs on the totem pole. To them however it is because white Americans "exploit them" and because we are "racist."

I do not doubt at all that some races are superior at certain things than others. Such as the Africans are by far the more athletic and are stronger than white men.  Someone has to be the brain surgeon and someone has to be the postman.  That does not give the surgeon cart blanche to treat the postman as an inferior being and make their lives any more difficult.

To give another example, there is a reason I would never stop my car off the side of the road to pick up a Black or Hispanic hitchhiker and that is because they are more likely to kill me if I let them in my truck.

You know whatever one may think of the British Empire they helped India out infinitely, giving them clean water, roads, hospitals, etc. In fact India wouldn't be advanced enough today had it not been for the British.

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I am far from Gloria Steinem than you can get, feminism did nothing for me or my children and I could quite happily burn them if I was allowed.  Feminism caught on very quickly and had fertile ground to work from because of attitudes like yours.  A man can do what he likes according to you as he is head of the family...not so, he has a soul to save and if he treats his wife like a punchbag he will have to answer for it.  Had men been real men as what God wants feminism would not have been a success.

So I assume that to you the whole of human history is oppression of women? In the Islamic world there has never been feminism and you can see the results: a birthrate that just keeps on rising. And feminism would have never happened had there been no Marxism or liberalism in the Western world.

Absolutely not but please if you are going to quote the muslims as role models remember they believe their women folk do not get to heaven.  They view women as objects for their own purpose and nothing more than vessels to be used.  That is wrong.  They would not think that Our Lady would deserve a place in heaven.  Ask yourself would St Joseph treat Our Lady this way.  He knew the treasure he had and he treated her kindly.  St Joseph is the ideal of a true man and Our Lady is the ideal of a true woman.