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Offline tdrev123

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« on: December 17, 2014, 12:28:36 AM »
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  • I am starting this thread to see and find out what people's position is on Disney movies and also Santa Claus.

    By Disney movies I am referring to 'classic' movies and the newer movies as well (not the tv station or anything else so don't bring it up - those are obviously evil).  

    Some things that show Disney is evil are:
    Walt Disney/Club 33  - Masonic
    Subliminal Messaging
    Vanity
    Evil plots
    Magic
    Sex

    Do people here pick and choose which movies are good to watch? (this is what I previously thought but now I am not sure)  Or do they not let anything be watched?  Or do they think that they are okay?
    Does anyone else know other reasons why Disney should be banned from a home?




    Also after doing more research into Santa Claus I am questioning if it is wrong to have children who believe in what is now considered Santa.  

    Is it paganism?
    Protestant elements?
    Demean and denigrate the Birth of Our Lord?
    Magical/evil elements?


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 02:41:12 AM »
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  • St. Nick.(Santa Claus).  I don't see anything wrong with Santa. When I was little my parents taught us that the birth of Christ was the real reason for Christmas.  We went to Midnight Mass.  

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    « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 03:21:42 AM »
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  • Nowadays Santa Claus bears no resemblance in any way to St Nicholas, who was a Bishop of Myra in what is now Turkey during the early 4th century. He had a reputation for his generosity to the poor, but then I believe the same could be said of many saints.

    We never introduced our children to Santa Claus, and as we had no TV and lived rather isolated, they were none the wiser, for a while at least. Once we were at Christmas Mass and a lady came up to our eldest son and asked him what Santa had brought him for Christmas. He looked at her as if he didn't know what she was talking about - Christmas he knew, but not Santa.

    Of course we read the lives of the saints and they were introduced to St Nicholas, along with others. But not in conjunction with the celebration of Christmas. I told them that Santa Claus was a clever ploy to encourage people to part with their hard earned cash on unnecessary things.

    Anyway I don't think they grew up traumatised by this "deprivation". They did get Christmas presents, from Mummy and Daddy!
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    « Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 04:02:50 AM »
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  • Coca Cola's Santa Clause is all good fun.  

    But in our hut, we try to talk about St. Nicholas more.  We mention the Krampus, too.  

    As for Disney, I try to discourage Disney princess obsession, though the wife slips in a Disney princess movie every now and then.
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    « Reply #4 on: December 27, 2014, 07:47:29 PM »
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  • here's an interesting article not sure I agree totally, but makes for interesting discussion


    Santa Claus, Antichrist of the Season

    As the world grows darker and darker as it moves farther and farther away from Catholic society, the true significance of Christmas correspondingly grows dimmer and dimmer in the eyes of the world. This could not have been possible to the full extent we now see, however, without the Antichrist known as Santa Claus. What is Christmas about for the modern pagan world and modern pagan America? It's about Santa Claus bringing people gifts. What do we see all around us? We see people dressed up as Santa Claus in his stupid costume.

    Satan knows that he cannot do away with the celebration of Christmas. He also knows that, as long as it is celebrated, the whole world is going to be reminded in a profound way of Our Lord Jesus Christ, whom most of the world has forgotten. Every year when Christmas came around everyone was reminded, whether they liked it or not, of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Whether it was the profound sinner who had fallen from the practice of the Catholic Faith, or the Jєω trying to forget about Christ so that he didn't have to believe in Him, all of them were reminded of Jesus Christ every Christmas… at least until the creation of Satan Claus.

    Instead of trying to do away with the Feast completely, which he knows would be a futile attempt, Satan devised one of his most diabolically ingenious ideas yet: substitute Santa for Jesus. His plan has been brilliantly successful; it's to the point where Christmas is, for most of the country, almost totally about Santa Claus. Jesus is barely mentioned at all, and the general public doesn't think it at all incongruous. Santa has effectively replaced Jesus especially in the lives of countless children. This Antichrist substitution is perhaps most identifiable in the famous tune, "Santa Claus is coming to town":

    You better watch out
    you better not cry
    you better not pout
    I'm telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    Wait a second… who comes to town on Christmas? Jesus Christ comes to town, of course. Jesus Christ is the one who arrives in the world on Christmas, which is why we are celebrating the Feast. But this tells us that Santa Claus is the one who is actually coming. It is very obvious that Santa Claus is a false Christ. He is actually Satan Claus.

    He's making a list
    And checking it twice
    Gonna find out who's naughty or nice
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He knows when you are sleeping
    He knows when you're awake
    He knows when you've been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake

    We see from this that Santa is invested with supernatural powers. Santa is not only able to miraculously fly and deliver presents to everyone in the world, but he knows your conscience; so you better be good. In other words, Santa is not only the one who is coming on Christmas instead of Christ, but he is also "the god" to whom you must be accountable for your conduct.

    It is no coincidence that Santa Claus is given the same powers as God. This is an attempt to mislead children at a young age. Santa is given omnipresence and omniscience, knowing whether each child has been bad or good. Santa is given omnipotence, being able to visit every child's home in the entire world in a single night. This is something that only God alone could do. Santa is given the power to understand and speak any language, which again, is something that only God could do. Also, Santa is portrayed as being righteous, i.e., the "good guy," who is always happy, and is the higher moral authority. Clearly, whoever designed Santa Claus wanted to make children believe that he was a god of Christmas.

    People say that Santa Claus simply represents St. Nicholas. I'm only aware of one similarity between the modern-day Santa Claus and St. Nicholas. In order to help out a poor family in need (whose poverty was exasperating some grave spiritual problems), the real St. Nicholas went to the family's house three times in the middle of the night, and threw a sack of money through the window (The Liturgical Year by Dom Prosper Gueranger, p. 341.). This helped the family out spiritually as well as materially. But from this single similarity Satan has created the modern-day Santa Claus, who has effectively replaced Jesus Christ on Christmas. And "Christian" families allow it to happen through the pretext that Santa represents St. Nicholas.

    A Catholic should clearly see that Santa is a false god, an idol, a false Christ, an Antichrist invented by Satan to substitute for Our Lord. That being the case, Santa Claus is clearly one of the more reprehensible things in the modern world. No Catholic should teach his or her children about this idol. No Catholic should promote this Antichrist mockery of Christmas. And no Catholic (of course) should put out cookies for Satan Claus or having anything to do with him. But undoubtedly many who call themselves Catholics and countless heretics will substitute Santa for Jesus this Christmas.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 27, 2014, 07:51:11 PM »
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  • I agree that "Santa" is the evil psuedo-god of materialism. Also, parents are taught to lie to their children. Are they surprised when their children don't believe them about the existence of God?
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    « Reply #6 on: December 27, 2014, 09:32:49 PM »
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  • Santa Claus is kind of based of St. Nicholas, though. In Dutch folklore, you have Sinterklaas who delivered gifts to children on his feast day, December 6th. If you can explain this to children and explain further that St. Nicholas was real, that's fine.
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    « Reply #7 on: December 27, 2014, 11:23:47 PM »
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  • It is obvious that the OP has reservations, maybe even scruples about such issues. I'd rather not influence either way. Suffice to say that the Church has not spoken on these matters through her local ordinaries, so it is up to the parents to form good judgements, remembering that not one of us has any authority to bind another.



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    « Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 11:24:59 PM »
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  • It is a tragedy that catholics are entertaining the santa claus false religious rites.  We should be distancing ourselves from it, but instead the opposite tends to happen.   I see it as harmful.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 28, 2014, 03:01:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: + PG +
    It is a tragedy that catholics are entertaining the santa claus false religious rites.  We should be distancing ourselves from it, but instead the opposite tends to happen.   I see it as harmful.


    Agreed.

    Santa Claus was a human invention to get people distracted from the real meaning of Christmas: the nativity of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As long as there are Christmas celebrations, Christians and even non Christians alike will remember Our Lord being born, but with the Santa propaganda in modern times, the attention is cleverly shifted.

    Children should be told this reality since early age and the focus in the home should reside entirely on Baby Jesus, instead of Santa Claus.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 30, 2014, 10:32:23 PM »
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  • By Disney movies I am referring to 'classic' movies and the newer movies as well (not the tv station or anything else so don't bring it up - those are obviously evil).

    Some things that show Disney is evil are:
    Walt Disney/Club 33 - Masonic
    Subliminal Messaging
    Vanity
    Evil plots
    Magic
    Sex

    Do people here pick and choose which movies are good to watch? (this is what I previously thought but now I am not sure) Or do they not let anything be watched? Or do they think that they are okay?
    Does anyone else know other reasons why Disney should be banned from a home?


    I think that the parents should watch the movies with the children. If you see something questionable you should talk about why this is not right.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 30, 2014, 10:36:14 PM »
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  • Also after doing more research into Santa Claus I am questioning if it is wrong to have children who believe in what is now considered Santa.

    Is it paganism?
    Protestant elements?
    Demean and denigrate the Birth of Our Lord?
    Magical/evil elements?

    I think you should celebrate the holiness of St Nicholas in the way the Church wants us to celebrate it. St Nicholas was a great saint. He was present at the Council of Nicea and allegedly personally fought with Arius when he presented his heretical ideas.

    The holiness of St Nicholas include;
    generosity
    love of neighbor,
    giving charity in a way that doesn't humiliate the reciever of the charitable offering
    love of God
    orthodoxy in faith.