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Offline jman123

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« on: December 29, 2011, 08:37:37 AM »
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  • I found this posted on FE. It is quite interesting.
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    So, a handful of my female co-workers here at the hospital have taken turns telling me about how poor my family will be for having up to 7 kids.  

    I'm out of energy for answering such attitudes.  But I noticed that I could not find a thread about it here on Fisheaters.  So....


    What do you say to people who argue that you will be poor for having a bunch of kids?


    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 08:48:36 AM »
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  • I don't think there is an answer that the other parties could understand.

    I have gotten the same argument from relatives who are appalled that we have five children and give so much money to the Church--after all, how can we afford to give all that money away with so many children?  

    The fact is that God has greatly blessed our family and we are doing better (financially and in physical comforts) than many of our 0-3 children relations who wouldn't put a dime in a collection basket if they were even to darken the threshhold of the church.

    Even then, you see, WE are the ones who are going to be poor.  I don't think there is an answer.  I just ask them which children they think we should get rid of.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 09:45:34 AM »
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  • I doubt that it would be appropriate to say so professionally, but I think this attitude reveals a deep-seated envy and sadness over their neighbor's spiritual goods.

    (and of course it reveals the effects of the commie educational system upon the "workers")




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    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 08:42:23 PM »
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  • I have several children on a modest, middle class salary. The fact is that you can afford children and all your other needs by simply living within your means. Besides a mortgage I have very little debt. Most people consider things such as vacations, multiple cars, new clothes, Ipods etc as necessary. It comes down to your priorities. Most people these days can't understand not having cable, designer clothes, the latest gadget and eating out all the time.

    Our idea of what constitutes "poor" has undergone radical change in the last several decades.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 06:58:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Roland Deschain


     Most people consider things such as vacations, multiple cars, new clothes, Ipods etc as necessary. It comes down to your priorities. Most people these days can't understand not having cable, designer clothes, the latest gadget and eating out all the time.

    Our idea of what constitutes "poor" has undergone radical change in the last several decades.


    Yes. I see homes with 3,4, 5, and sometimes even more large TV's scattered around them. Plus all the other stuff. Lots of it. They think it is normal. Often they owe lots of $ on credit cards etc in order to have all the "basics."

    In reply to the OP; what is wrong with admitting that you may end up "poor" or you may not, but either way you are not concerned about about it?


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    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »
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  • You know, children don't have to be JUST consumers.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 09:00:48 AM »
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  •   Some people are afraid of being one day criticized by their children for not buying them what so and so has. They think their children will be humiliated before their friends and classmates if they lack what others have.
     
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    Our idea of what constitutes "poor" has undergone radical change in the last several decades.


    Even if they fully realized that so much luxuries are not necessary, parents may still feel guilty for not providing their kids with latest brand of everything.
      This type of people are hard to convince.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 09:49:52 AM »
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  • Good morning,

    It takes a strong faith in God and His love, and our Blessed Mother’s, to be able to have children and to raise them well.  Children are a blessing.  At the same time, they do have basic need – love, food, roof over their heads.

    As has been pointed out here, many folks have a tendency to provide every new thing that comes on the market.  That definitely impacts their financial situation.

    Living within one’s means, however, allows for folks to be open to the blessing of more children.

    Growing up I did not have the latest things available.  Some of my classmates did.  Was I jealous?  Yes.  Did it impact me negatively in my growth as a person?  No.

    And, there were only two children in my family.  Even then it was a struggle at times for my family.  Should my parents have had more children?  I don’t know.

    There is no answer to give folks who ask about multiple children – no answer that will be satisfactory to them.

    All anyone can do is to open their heart to God and to follow the love that is there.

    Have a wonderful day!


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    « Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 10:00:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: veritasaxios
    There is no answer to give folks who ask about multiple children – no answer that will be satisfactory to them.


    This is true. A child won't truly understand how a car moves, before you explain the process of energy created inside the engine. There are foundational questions which must be answered first, which begin with God's design of nature.

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    All anyone can do is to open their heart to God and to follow the love that is there.

    Have a wonderful day!


    We can, and should open our hearts to God; but as with this subject, its not about hearts and love, but also logic and intelligence he's given us which we must use as well, lets we think (or not) like protestants :wink:

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    « Reply #9 on: January 07, 2012, 11:40:01 AM »
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  • There are different kinds of wealth.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 07, 2012, 01:04:33 PM »
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  • veritasaxios said:
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    All anyone can do is to open their heart to God and to follow the love that is there.


    Didn't you admit to being gαy in another thread?  Not just saying you had temptations in that direction, but actually calling yourself gαy?  

    Uncharitable as it may be, though I don't think it is, I find it more than a little nauseating that you are preaching about family here, especially with lines like the above that insinuate "other avenues."  

    I see no reason why I should be interested in the posts of someone who is a self-professed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and doesn't even have remorse about having those leanings.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 07, 2012, 06:41:46 PM »
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  • Good evening Raoul76,

    Yes you are correct in that I have identified myself as gαy.  That does not, however, mean that I do not have a relationship with God.  It does not mean that I do not have spiritual words that are worth sharing.

    My suggestion is to stop looking at the messenger and look at the message.

    That we disagree on what my identifying as gαy means, there are still many things I suspect we agree on.

    It is difficult reading through some of the postings and seeing how much time folks spend on personal attacks rather than coming together as brothers and sisters who, though they may disagree on many things, do believe in the primacy of God and the the graces He shares through the Church.

    Just my thoughts.

    I do not wish to be disruptive or argumentative.

    I only want to offer my thoughts.

    Peace.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 07, 2012, 07:08:29 PM »
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  • veritasaxios, thanks for your commentary here.

    While we welcome you to post, and of course to be a good Catholic and fight the fight like and with the rest of us, I think there is an issue with you posting that you are gαy here, without showing, as Raoul76 says, 'remorse' for those feelings. If you're not completely into a gαy lifestyle, and do not act on these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ urges, we might have a different issue.

    However, if the opposite is true (you are openly gαy and have sɛҳuąƖ relations with other men IRL), you now are a potential danger to others here. If you don't understand why, please ask.

    Be assured of my prayers either way, as I have a good friend who bears a similar cross and know it can be difficult. Keep fighting.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 12:54:29 AM »
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  • A ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ act is one of the sins that cries to heaven for vengeance.  To describe yourself as gαy shows you embrace the inclination that leads to this sin and have woven an identity around it.  It shows a certain degree of acceptance.  

    Any traditional Catholic would know how serious it is to go around calling themselves "gαy."   Catholics, especially those who were in seminary, would also be very aware that same-sex attraction is merely a disordered inclination, not some inborn trait, and that to call yourself "gαy" shows a phony fatalism.

    This is why no Catholic calling himself gαy is going to have any credibility, especially not a self-professed gαy who is as slippery as you.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.