Author Topic: Child Abuse (Read 2036 times)

poche · « **on:** October 03, 2014, 12:12:45 AM »

Anthony Esolen is always worth reading. He hits nails on heads. And he comes at his targets from unexpected angles, so that the point is pounded home almost before the reader can see where it’s going.

A professional football star is charged with subjecting his child to pitiless physical discipline. The offense is real Esolen acknowledges, and deserves condemnation. Yet the level of public outrage is odd. We rightly condemn a father who is cruel to his children. But we ignore the much more common phenomenon: the father who deserts his children.

If the football star had walked out on the child, and the child’s mother, he would not be the focus of public obloquy. A thrashing leaves welts, Esolen remarks, but they will heal. “Abandonment opens a wound that never heals, and it is a wound not upon the skin of the legs, but in the heart.”

Esolen quotes from The Screwtape Letters, in which the veteran demon explains to his nephew:

We direct the cry of each generation against those vices of which it is in least danger and fix its approval on the virtue nearest to that vice which we are trying to make endemic.

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=896

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2014, 09:58:27 AM »

poche it is obvious to me you are a Social Democrat and use democracy and social intercourse to bring about your left-wing political thinking.

I myself am outraged at the abandonment of children by their fathers, however I realize that it was the equality of women which destroyed the responsibilities of a father and destroyed the money a man could have used to start a family. One thing that is also never mentioned is the vast amount of women who also abandon their children and single fathers who raise them.

As for child abuse, again you left-wingers are all the same in that you think children should be freed from their parents and that 12-year olds have a right to sue their parents. Now I myself do not support child abuse, but you and I obviously have different defintions of abuse. Using a belt on my sons to enforce discipline or using the belt on a 14-year old son who ran away from home is not child abuse.

OHCA · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2014, 12:22:50 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

. . . I realize that it was the equality of women which . . . destroyed the money a man could have used to start a family.

Do you mean by increasing the supply of labor, and thereby reducing the price (wages) of it? If so, I agree.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2014, 01:24:01 PM »

If women, especially wives and mothers, were to leave the workplace already and focus solely in the home, as their God given place, then many of those current positions could be eventually filled by men wanting to raise and support a family. That is the correct order of things. Women and men should not have to "compete" in the workplace as their God given roles have been established.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2014, 02:13:14 PM »

Quote from: OHCA

Do you mean by increasing the supply of labor, and thereby reducing the price (wages) of it? If so, I agree.

Well I loathe to discuss economic terms here, since economics ad money is unimportant, but yes one could say that with women being hired for cheaper wages than men and shouldering men aside in workplace competition, men are not only stripped of any jobs they could have had, but are forced to be paid cheap wages.

However what is more important is the social aspect of this careerism amongst women such as crime, divorce, single-parent homes, falling birthrates, abortions, contraceptives, etc. so that women can keep up in the office. However let me also say libertarian ideals on overturning divorce laws also broke up families and put wives and children as dependents. :wink:

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2014, 02:18:01 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

If women, especially wives and mothers, were to leave the workplace already and focus solely in the home, as their God given place, then many of those current positions could be eventually filled by men wanting to raise and support a family. That is the correct order of things. Women and men should not have to "compete" in the workplace as their God given roles have been established.

Well this is in keeping with the liberal ideal of doing what one wants to do and having no thought whatsoever on putting one's own self-interest below what is good for the community. Obviously what is good for the community is for women to NOT enter the labor force but to have more children. However global capitalists these days think along the same lines of Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels when they supported putting the whole female sex into the workplace as means of production.

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2014, 10:59:57 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

poche it is obvious to me you are a Social Democrat and use democracy and social intercourse to bring about your left-wing political thinking.

I myself am outraged at the abandonment of children by their fathers, however I realize that it was the equality of women which destroyed the responsibilities of a father and destroyed the money a man could have used to start a family. One thing that is also never mentioned is the vast amount of women who also abandon their children and single fathers who raise them.

As for child abuse, again you left-wingers are all the same in that you think children should be freed from their parents and that 12-year olds have a right to sue their parents. Now I myself do not support child abuse, but you and I obviously have different defintions of abuse. Using a belt on my sons to enforce discipline or using the belt on a 14-year old son who ran away from home is not child abuse.

I do not think that shildren should be "freed" from their parents nor should 12 year olds have the right to sue their parents.

poche · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2014, 01:01:51 AM »

The leader of the Ukrainian Catholic Church has said that the growing number of children worldwide who grow up without their parents is becoming a “new humanitarian tragedy.”

Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk of Kiev told Vatican Radio that discussions at the Synod of Bishops had called attention to the fact that 70% of the world’s children are being raised without the presence of their mother and father. This phenomenon causes special challenges for the Church, he said—including the challenge of helping those children to learn how they might create stable families of their own.

In light of the breakdown of so many marriages, the Ukrainian prelate said, the Church must redouble her work with families. He observed that in the Eastern churches, that question is viewed in terms of pastoral aid rather than canonical procedures. The Church sets forth an ideal of married life, he said. Then the question is how pastors can help “the people of today’s culture, people who are getting more and more fragile, to be able, according to spiritual and human growth and maturity, to achieve such an ideal?”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22962

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2014, 04:23:26 AM »

I myself am a product of a no-parent home, since I was not raised by my mother and father, but that experience in my opinion made my future role understandable which is when I become a father to always be there for my kids.