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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: love alabama on October 08, 2011, 05:13:01 PM
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what is your view on cheerleading especially the type that goes on in present colleges and High Schools?
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Cheerleading is promiscuity and indecency defined.
There is NO need whatsoever for young women in tight, criminally short outfits to kick, spread their legs and otherwise contort themselves in that manner.
The 'cheerleading' that I have seen is a CLOSE relative of the kinds of 'dancing' one would see if they frequented a 'gentlemens' club' (a strip club).
There is no reason to get involved in it, the viewing of it is harmful to chastity and thus to souls. It is associated with 'music' (so-called) and 'dance' (again, allegedly) that is base in nature, not founded on classical music or dance forms but rather the gyrations of heathenish tribespeople, and it has NEVER been necessary for the promotion of excellence in sports. Simply learning the facts of your favorite sport, learning to support your home team and favorite player(s) and even taking time to learn a game yourself is time and effort infinitely better spent.
Of course, the BEST 'sport' is walking, running or otherwise exercising while praying the Rosary or other devotions or listening to or reading Scripture or suitable traditional teachings or homilies.
O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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That pretty much sums it up.
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Yes the pep rallies at our Catholic high school had cheerleaders in short skirts "dancing" to "hip hop" music in short skirts with their posteriors directed to the audience.
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Actually cheerleaders are not that bad at novus ordo/public high schools compared to "dance teams" that perform at halftime at basketball and football games. The clothing is even more revealing, the music even more offensive, and the dancing even more suggestive.
Another thing that bothers me is this whole concept of "homecoming" dances and prom dances. Its really pushing kids to impurity and its outrageous how are whole society just embraces it.
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curiouscatholic, another "tru dat" to your post.
I never went to prom or homecoming, even before my conversion, and praise be God I was somehow spared from all the sɛҳuąƖ and drunken debauchery that existed in my school.
Praise be Jesus, blessed be Mary. All praise and honor is due to Thee, oh Almighty God.
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Another thing that bothers me is this whole concept of "homecoming" dances and prom dances. Its really pushing kids to impurity and its outrageous how are whole society just embraces it.
It was already noticed in the 40s how bad the dances to the contemporary music were. But as time has gone on the music has become more conducive to immorality, and the "prom" ritual has become associated with binge drinking and fornication.
Yes, it is sick how so-called Catholic schools embrace this culture.
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I mean technically speaking, I guess the prom could be done in an acceptable fashion if the dancing and clothing was 100% modest, and the event was heavily supervised. Kind of like a "ball" in the 1600s
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:rahrah:
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:rahrah:
now if cheerleading was limited to :rahrah: I would be just fine! :)
totally unexceptable!
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Cheerleading just leads to more immodesty. The cheers they do are usually rather suggestive, not to mention that probably around 90% of cheerleaders are dressed in trashy outfits.
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Guilty. I was on the drill (dance) team too. :facepalm:
We had teachers who would give detention to girls who did the "parochi-roll" (rolling the waistband) to shorten their plaid skirts, but Friday game day we could wear way shorter cheer uniforms. Consistent much? They ended up allowing dress slacks later anyway.
I didn't think school dances were too awful, but the dresses have gotten much worse in the past 5 years. Fewer long gowns and more cocktail dresses or something that looked like you fell on a weedwacker.
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As I said in another post, I live in a place where the immodesty is greater than anywhere else I have seen. It is extremely bad elsewhere; but here it is really a cut above. And I verified this when my friend Alex from this site recently came out here to visit me, so feel free to chime in if you're still around, Alex!
I took a look at pictures of the high school. The cheerleaders are wearing skirts that are really like native leaf skirts, where there are many gaps in the fabric, so you can see right up the sides of their butts.
I compared to some other high schools in other areas, which were more like how I remember, short skirts, but not THIS sɛҳuąƖized. Something else that is particular about this area, is that all the cheerleaders looked incredibly toned and fit. At other high schools, there were some imperfect girls, so it looked more fun and innocent, not that I'm saying it is. But here it's like you have to resemble a Sports Illustrated model to be on the cheerleading team.
There was one picture I shouldn't have clicked on, but I just wanted to see how far it could go. I thought "No, this can't really be happening." But it was. It was so bad, that I can't even think of a way to describe it prudently. I am talking even beyond all the usual bumping and grinding.
These pictures were on the high school's Facebook page, where any parent could go and take a look. That none of them have a problem with what I saw, apparently, proves to me that people will be prostituting their daughters like in Russia within five years, to help them pay off their underwater mortgages and maintain their lifestyles. It is really that bad now. The scale of the immodesty has exponentially increased just in the last year or so. It is now at the point like in those science-fiction novels where it feels like any day now people will just start fornicating in the streets. Truly, it is a wonder to behold, a wonder of evil.
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While we are on this topic -- and it is related -- I have also recently learned that it has become commonplace for high school girls to have bikini car washes. The source for this new activity is apparently a cheerleading film called Bring It On, where the girls have a bikini car wash to fund their team. It has now spread like wildfire and people are actually doing it. What is worse, Protestant churches allegedly are participating in this.
Mothers are encouraging their daughters to partake of this fun-filled and all-American pastime. The girls get in bikinis and go stand out on the street with signs, to encourage men to stop by for a wash ( does that sound like they are engaged in a certain very ancient profession? ) They have the uglier girls lugging water and doing menial tasks, while the girls with good bodies are put in bikinis; and the moms are the ones who are organizing everything.
Go ahead, eat at Chick-Fil-A, lol. This society is NOT going to last.
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what is your view on cheerleading especially the type that goes on in present colleges and High Schools?
I think of it as very American.
Having thought that, Raoul said Mothers are encouraging their daughters to partake of this fun-filled and all-American pastime.
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While we are on this topic -- and it is related -- I have also recently learned that it has become commonplace for high school girls to have bikini car washes. The source for this new activity is apparently a cheerleading film called Bring It On, where the girls have a bikini car wash to fund their team. It has now spread like wildfire and people are actually doing it. What is worse, Protestant churches allegedly are participating in this.
Mothers are encouraging their daughters to partake of this fun-filled and all-American pastime. The girls get in bikinis and go stand out on the street with signs, to encourage men to stop by for a wash ( does that sound like they are engaged in a certain very ancient profession? ) They have the uglier girls lugging water and doing menial tasks, while the girls with good bodies are put in bikinis; and the moms are the ones who are organizing everything.
Go ahead, eat at Chick-Fil-A, lol. This society is NOT going to last.
I live in the Bible Belt and can attest to this. Even in so-called conservative Baptist churches you see this going on.
As for the original topic: Cheerleading is absolutely pointless. Most of the girls on a cheerleading squad wouldn't know a touchdown from a holding penalty. It is a way to get looked at, nothing more.
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As for the original topic: Cheerleading is absolutely pointless. Most of the girls on a cheerleading squad wouldn't know a touchdown from a holding penalty. It is a way to get looked at, nothing more.
While I'd be lying to say that there are no self-esteem benefits that come along with being a cheerleader, I can say from the bottom of my heart that I did not think of it as simply a way to be looked at.
In our state, cheerleading is recognized as a high school sport and is funded as such. We participated in competitions, and in order to qualify for the competition tier of varsity, you needed a background in dance and years of tumbling classes or experience in gymnastics.
I wasn't athletically gifted enough to survive in varsity volleyball, basketball, or track. I earned excellent grades, but I am not a smart person. My academic success required hard work. I didn't have great musical talent, and I was probably a pretty lousy thespian. My skills were limited to dance, cheer, organizing events and helping to design the yearbook.
I am not defending the concept of cheerleading. It is immodest, it inspires vanity, and it also has a high rate of injury. I would not let my daughter participate. All I am saying is that not everyone who was a cheerleader was motivated by being looked at.
I think I was a pretty good kid in high school. My parents were very much tuned out due to their own problems, so I had plenty of opportunities to screw up. Yet, (because I hated the embarrassment of ever "getting in trouble") I was the designated driver. I was the goody two-shoes tease. I was the girl tidying up some random kitchen where the parents were out of town and the kids threw a house party.
Catholic schools promote false modesty. It is a bunch of inconsistent expectations and no real understanding of why certain rules were in place. I was too naive to ever wake up and think about the occasions of sin created (for myself and others) by being a cheerleader. I'm not making excuses, but just providing a point of view. When your parents don't care and the Catholic school doesn't care, it is hard to conclude on your own that something is immoral.
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PW I wouldn't worry about it. These eggheads are just jealous they couldn't get the cheerleaders in high school. :laugh1:
(Kidding, kidding.)
I mean I'm all about modesty and all, but I see nothing wrong with women participating in a feminine sport that can help out school solidarity. I guess a man has to play sports such as football or basketball to appreciate that. And men are acting as if physical attraction is a bad thing. Yeah the guys go for the cheerleaders in high school, that doesn't make the sport 'evil.'
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I mean I'm all about modesty and all, but I see nothing wrong with women participating in a feminine sport that can help out school solidarity. I guess a man has to play sports such as football or basketball to appreciate that. And men are acting as if physical attraction is a bad thing. Yeah the guys go for the cheerleaders in high school, that doesn't make the sport 'evil.'
The world just needs to go back to the long skirt and sweater uniforms. :smile:
I think the athletes do appreciate it, and not just for "visual" reasons. The cheerleaders made all the banners and signs and got the pep rallies going. If cheerleading went back to be considered a club and not a sport, it would actually be a much better model for natural gender roles than title IX tampered athletics where the world pretends men and women are no different.
As far as the bikini car washes? Yes, they are ridiculous for obvious reasons. My mother was opposed to them. Not because she cared about me wearing a bikini (she most definitely didn't) but because she said the men that go to them must be "pedophiles." :facepalm: Ohhh the disconnect.
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The world just needs to go back to the long skirt and sweater uniforms. :smile:
Yes I agree.
I think the athletes do appreciate it, and not just for "visual" reasons. The cheerleaders made all the banners and signs and got the pep rallies going. If cheerleading went back to be considered a club and not a sport, it would actually be a much better model for natural gender roles than title IX tampered athletics where the world pretends men and women are no different.
Hmm well when I was in school (it seems eons ago even though it has only been a few years) we definitely saw cheerleading as a feminine sport and laughed at any guy that tried out for it (yeah I know that men first started cheerleading).
As far as the bikini car washes? Yes, they are ridiculous for obvious reasons. My mother was opposed to them. Not because she cared about me wearing a bikini (she most definitely didn't) but because she said the men that go to them must be "pedophiles." :facepalm: Ohhh the disconnect.
Actually your mother might have been on to something there (besides the bikini thing) especially if a 40-year old man showed up and started 'looking' at a 16-year old girl.
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It was not a Catholic home, but the relative I lived with during high school had me wear black stretch pants under my cheerleading uniform. For the actual game time when I was cheering on the sidelines I could remove them. We wore our uniforms during school for game days and back and forth on the bus and any school special events. For everything but the time during the basketball game I had to wear black stretch pants under my uniform.
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I mean I'm all about modesty and all, but I see nothing wrong with women participating in a feminine sport that can help out school solidarity. I guess a man has to play sports such as football or basketball to appreciate that. And men are acting as if physical attraction is a bad thing. Yeah the guys go for the cheerleaders in high school, that doesn't make the sport 'evil.'
The world just needs to go back to the long skirt and sweater uniforms. :smile:
I think the athletes do appreciate it, and not just for "visual" reasons. The cheerleaders made all the banners and signs and got the pep rallies going. If cheerleading went back to be considered a club and not a sport, it would actually be a much better model for natural gender roles than title IX tampered athletics where the world pretends men and women are no different.
As far as the bikini car washes? Yes, they are ridiculous for obvious reasons. My mother was opposed to them. Not because she cared about me wearing a bikini (she most definitely didn't) but because she said the men that go to them must be "pedophiles." :facepalm: Ohhh the disconnect.
I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
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The world just needs to go back to the long skirt and sweater uniforms. :smile:
Yes I agree.
I think the athletes do appreciate it, and not just for "visual" reasons. The cheerleaders made all the banners and signs and got the pep rallies going. If cheerleading went back to be considered a club and not a sport, it would actually be a much better model for natural gender roles than title IX tampered athletics where the world pretends men and women are no different.
Hmm well when I was in school (it seems eons ago even though it has only been a few years) we definitely saw cheerleading as a feminine sport and laughed at any guy that tried out for it (yeah I know that men first started cheerleading).
As far as the bikini car washes? Yes, they are ridiculous for obvious reasons. My mother was opposed to
them. Not because she cared about me wearing a bikini (she most definitely didn't) but because she said the men that go to them must be "pedophiles." :facepalm: Ohhh the disconnect.
Actually your mother might have been on to something there (besides the bikini thing) especially if a 40-year old man showed up and started 'looking' at a 16-year old girl.
My point was she was misusing the word pedophile. A pedophile is by definition, attracted to prepubescent children. I'm pretty sure men who go to bikini car washes are there for more of the "adult" features. The girls aren't working them to showcase child-like innocence. This is what I mean by disconnect.
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
You were ignorant and misled, like many of us, and now we're all trying to co-operate with God's grace.
I see girls wearing immodest clothing, and I don't get mad. My heart aches because half of them seriously don't know any better. How could they, deprived of the presence of Catholic Sisters in their schools and elsewhere?
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
You were ignorant and misled, like many of us, and now we're all trying to co-operate with God's grace.
I see girls wearing immodest clothing, and I don't get mad. My heart aches because half of them seriously don't know any better. How could they, deprived of the presence of Catholic Sisters in their schools and elsewhere?
I'm glad that you understand that it wasn't just a conscious choice to be offensive and sinful. Immodest dress is the norm, and is rarely questioned in everyday life.
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
You were ignorant and misled, like many of us, and now we're all trying to co-operate with God's grace.
I see girls wearing immodest clothing, and I don't get mad. My heart aches because half of them seriously don't know any better. How could they, deprived of the presence of Catholic Sisters in their schools and elsewhere?
I'm glad that you understand that it wasn't just a conscious choice to be offensive and sinful. Immodest dress is the norm, and is rarely questioned in everyday life.
PW, I hope my posts did not come across as condemning of you personally. That was not my intention. My condemnations were for cheerleading in general. I have read a lot of your posts and can tell that you are on the right road. We all struggle to work out our salvation.
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
You were ignorant and misled, like many of us, and now we're all trying to co-operate with God's grace.
I see girls wearing immodest clothing, and I don't get mad. My heart aches because half of them seriously don't know any better. How could they, deprived of the presence of Catholic Sisters in their schools and elsewhere?
I'm glad that you understand that it wasn't just a conscious choice to be offensive and sinful. Immodest dress is the norm, and is rarely questioned in everyday life.
PW, I hope my posts did not come across as condemning of you personally. That was not my intention. My condemnations were for cheerleading in general. I have read a lot of your posts and can tell that you are on the right road. We all struggle to work out our salvation.
It didn't come across that way. I understand what you are saying and I don't take it personally. It is good for men in particular to speak up about these things.
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It didn't come across that way. I understand what you are saying and I don't take it personally. It is good for men in particular to speak up about these things.
I agree. It is very good that men like Roland describe the good example he sets for his sons. We really do need good men to guide us.
Now Catholic schools have boy cheerleaders, which is grotesque. :barf:
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Plenty of cheerleaders are currently in Dublin for the Notre Dame V Navy game. Fr John Jenkins was interviewed on Irish television last night.
This thread came to mind.
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The world just needs to go back to the long skirt and sweater uniforms. :smile:
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So true. Besides, they were really cute.
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what is your view on cheerleading especially the type that goes on in present colleges and High Schools?
Cannot see need for cheer-leading, do we really think people play better w/cheerleading??
Seems to sell sex, instead of a game of ball.....
really, what purpose does it serve if one wants to watch a ball game? supposed to get audience excited and cheer team on, but really, does it? people thse days dont get worked about about anything, really...too busy on electronic gadgets or in line at concession stands.....
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Yes the pep rallies at our Catholic high school had cheerleaders in short skirts "dancing" to "hip hop" music in short skirts with their posteriors directed to the audience.
great, so sexy dancing to incite the youth to music that should have stayed in the ghetto, if there and not really, as it does not uplift the black youth, either.....
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Cheerleading just leads to more immodesty. The cheers they do are usually rather suggestive, not to mention that probably around 90% of cheerleaders are dressed in trashy outfits.
gotten worse and more suggestive with modern music too, not just band music/cheers
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Guilty. I was on the drill (dance) team too. :facepalm:
We had teachers who would give detention to girls who did the "parochi-roll" (rolling the waistband) to shorten their plaid skirts, but Friday game day we could wear way shorter cheer uniforms. Consistent much? They ended up allowing dress slacks later anyway.
I didn't think school dances were too awful, but the dresses have gotten much worse in the past 5 years. Fewer long gowns and more cocktail dresses or something that looked like you fell on a weedwacker.
ah, one of THOSE populare people, then :laugh1: :laugh2:
seriously though, true, at times will see younger set out on dates/proms,etc and one has to almost ask "why bother wearing anything, you barely are now"? or "did that dentist know you stole his floss"?
People do not really how highly sɛҳuąƖized a cultru we live in and what that does to the mind.....then again, most people do not think thoughts are sinful, only actions......
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While we are on this topic -- and it is related -- I have also recently learned that it has become commonplace for high school girls to have bikini car washes. The source for this new activity is apparently a cheerleading film called Bring It On, where the girls have a bikini car wash to fund their team. It has now spread like wildfire and people are actually doing it. What is worse, Protestant churches allegedly are participating in this.
Mothers are encouraging their daughters to partake of this fun-filled and all-American pastime. The girls get in bikinis and go stand out on the street with signs, to encourage men to stop by for a wash ( does that sound like they are engaged in a certain very ancient profession? ) They have the uglier girls lugging water and doing menial tasks, while the girls with good bodies are put in bikinis; and the moms are the ones who are organizing everything.
Go ahead, eat at Chick-Fil-A, lol. This society is NOT going to last.
I had a claimant one time that was a former topless car washer......she wanted to FB me and besides ethical issues with being her govt case worker, had to say "no thanks"..too much sex promotion out there as it is, dont need to add more to the huge heap we see, hear........
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While we are on this topic -- and it is related -- I have also recently learned that it has become commonplace for high school girls to have bikini car washes. The source for this new activity is apparently a cheerleading film called Bring It On, where the girls have a bikini car wash to fund their team. It has now spread like wildfire and people are actually doing it. What is worse, Protestant churches allegedly are participating in this.
Mothers are encouraging their daughters to partake of this fun-filled and all-American pastime. The girls get in bikinis and go stand out on the street with signs, to encourage men to stop by for a wash ( does that sound like they are engaged in a certain very ancient profession? ) They have the uglier girls lugging water and doing menial tasks, while the girls with good bodies are put in bikinis; and the moms are the ones who are organizing everything.
Go ahead, eat at Chick-Fil-A, lol. This society is NOT going to last.
I live in the Bible Belt and can attest to this. Even in so-called conservative Baptist churches you see this going on.
As for the original topic: Cheerleading is absolutely pointless. Most of the girls on a cheerleading squad wouldn't know a touchdown from a holding penalty. It is a way to get looked at, nothing more.
conservative Baptist do not equate morality w/sex, that drops off radar, thanks to accepting a few things
-total depreavity
-once saved, always saved
-mind does not matter, its heart and "relationships"
so sɛҳuąƖ morality goes under the bus
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I'm sorry, but having played highschool sports, I have to give you some bad news.
Cheerleaders were eye candy. Cheerleaders do not make people want to cheer or cheer louder. Players do not get "pumped up" listening to a bunch of teenage girls chant silly rhymes on the sideline. Most cheerleaders do not seem in the least bit interested in the actual game. Cheerleading is pointless.
My sons and I have recently had this displeasure of witnessing cheerleaders at a hockey game of all places. They wear painted on outfits and serve as a distraction for men trying to watch the game. They do not in anyway make the players play harder or make the crowd cheer louder.
Well like I said, I see now why it's wrong.
we live, we learn, esp in the non-Catholic world and the terrible state of cathecism......