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Title: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Patriley on December 28, 2024, 07:37:45 AM
I was just looking to see what the view is on the practice of EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) tapping for Catholics who suffer psychological wounds/ trauma? Would it be a bad idea? I only ask because a lot of the priests I talk to don't seem to know anything about the psychological practices used today.

Some articles, that I don't think are traditional but are Catholic, say worst case is that it would open the door to demonic spirits because it is linked to and comes from eastern spirituality and it's new age and to stay away. But then others have said it's based on science and there's no sin in seeking medical help for a problem... So I'm not exactly sure what to think about it. I used to use it years ago and I really liked it and then I've used it recently with my last therapist but turned against it and went to confession for it cause I was afraid I was opening myself up to a false religion.

Any thoughts and suggestions about this would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on December 28, 2024, 08:15:40 AM
Some articles, that I don't think are traditional but are Catholic

It can't be Catholic if it's not traditional. You should follow the examples of Saint Dymphna and Blessed Mary. 

Yes, "EFT" is a bad idea.

Dump your "therapist". Avoid the pseudo science of psychiatry and psychology. If you're on any psych "meds", you should gradually cessate from it, ultimately, being completely off of it.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 28, 2024, 08:55:05 AM
There are people in whom the brain is so badly malfunctioning that they are a danger to themselves and others. For example, the impulsivity of bipolar disorder and the paranoia of schizophrenia result in high rates of homicide and ѕυιcιdє.

Such patients should not casually stop their medicines.

Of course (((psychiatry))) is largely derivative of (((Freud))) generalizing the pathology of his inbred (((Viennese))) clientele to normal decent people and amplified by the greed of (((Big Pharma))).

Scientists Discover Gene That Predisposes αѕнкenαzι Jews to Schizophrenia
Variations of the DNST3 gene make αѕнкenαzι Jews 40 percent more likely to develop schizophrenia and similar diseases.
https://www.haaretz.com/2013-11-26/ty-article/.premium/αѕнкenαzι-gene-increases-schizophrenia/0000017f-e04b-d75c-a7ff-fccfa3e10000

(https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/2c/13/06/2c130623c74c8e9dbca0c8e8b0949637.webp?width=568)

Inbreeding:

Genetic disorders common in αѕнкenαzι Jєωs
Favism , X-linked
Bloom syndrome, Autosomal recessive
Breast cancer and ovarian cancer, Autosomal dominant
Canavan disease, Autosomal recessive
Congenital deafness, Autosomal recessive
Cystic fibrosis, Autosomal recessive
Haemophilia C, Autosomal recessive
Familial dysautonomia, Autosomal recessive
Familial hypercholesterolemia, Autosomal dominant
Familial hyperinsulinism, Autosomal recessive
Fanconi anemia C, Autosomal recessive
Gaucher disease, Autosomal recessive
Glycogen Storage Disease type 1a, Autosomal recessive
Mucolipidosis IV, Autosomal recessive
Niemann–Pick (type A), Autosomal recessive
Nonclassical 21-hydroxylase deficiency, Autosomal recessive
Parkinson’s disease, Autosomal dominant
Tay–Sachs, Autosomal recessive
Torsion dystonia, Autosomal dominant
Usher syndrome, Autosomal recessive

Genetic disorders common in Sephardic and Mizrahi Jєωs
Oculocutaneous albinism, Autosomal recessive
Ataxia telangiectasia, Autosomal recessive
Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, Autosomal dominant
Cerebrotendinous xanthomatosis, Autosomal recessive
Cystinuria, Autosomal recessive
Familial Mediterranean fever, Autosomal recessive
Glycogen storage disease III, Autosomal recessive
Limb girdle muscular dystrophy, Autosomal recessive
Tay–Sachs, Autosomal recessive
11-β-hydroxylase deficiency, Autosomal recessive

Genetic disorders common in Mizrahi Jєωs
Beta-thalassemia, Autosomal recessive
Factor VII deficiency , Autosomal recessive
Familial Mediterranean fever, Autosomal recessive, but heterozygous carriers also can show clinical manifestations.
Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency, X-linked
Inclusion body myopathy, Autosomal recessive
Metachromatic leukodystrophy, Autosomal recessive
Oculopharyngeal muscular dystrophy, Autosomal, recessive or dominant
Phenylketonuria, Autosomal recessive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jєωs (https://archive.is/o/sD4gH/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jєωs)


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Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Gray2023 on December 28, 2024, 09:07:15 AM
People are going to have different opinions.  My thought is that we can't just live in the 1950s.  If the Church has been problematic for the last 60 years, then we have no idea what the Church thinks on these topics.  EFT has been around for 30 years.  It is based off of eastern medicine, acupressure.  in some xases it has been the most effective tool for people who have ptsdfrom war.

Personally I think the gap between Eastern medicine (Herb usage and the electrical system of the body) and western medicine (pharmaceuticals focused) has grown so much that most people do not know what being truly healthy is.

Find someone who understands eft that doesn't add spiritualism to it.

I have used it for years and many of my mental problems are no longer a problem.  It is just a tool.

DM me if you want more info.

In the beginning my husband learned a lot about it and assured me I wasn't doing anything offensive to God.  I had a hard time buying it at first.  It took him years to assure me.  The final push was when I found that learning how to help people with eft was an acceptable continuing education coursework for the American medical association. 

Here is an article that also might be helpful.

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/purduetoday/2023/Q3/emotional-freedom-technique-research-supports-benefits-of-tapping-for-mental-health/#:~:text=In%20November%202022%2C%20the%20Tapping,EFT%20tapping%20work%20for%20them.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Pax Vobis on December 28, 2024, 09:12:19 AM
Emotional problems can cause real physical health issues.  I’m sure there’s a way to use EFT in a catholic manner.  

Things like Reiki, on the other hand, is straight up bad.  I see no science there; only occult. 
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 28, 2024, 09:12:57 AM
… it would open the door to demonic spirits because it is linked to and comes from eastern spirituality and it's new age and to stay away…

Every competent exorcist testifies to these dangers.

Even without "spiritualism," the openness and "empty mind" approach of similar "therapies" are a significant risk.  Even yoga carries risk.

Who is surprised that PV "is sure" that there is a "Catholic" way of taking demonic risks?
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: josefamenendez on December 28, 2024, 09:16:38 AM
Successful withdrawal fron SSRI meds can take months and even years and should be titrated down slowly.
Abrupt withdrawal can cause acute and frightening symptoms including electric shock type effects to the nerves, insomnia, agitation, paranoia and hallucinations- and even worse.
I think its the withdrawal from meds that cause the psychosis of some of these school shooters and not actually being on the med itself.

Benzodiazepine withdrawal (Xanax, Clonopin, Valium )is incredibly dangerous and will cause death if stopped abruptly.
This is why Jordan Peterson went to Russia and was put in a medical coma for months to detox from Clonapin- apparently the family thought it was the only way.

The best thing is to never start on these prescriptions, but if you are, withdrawal is serious business and not done willy-nilly.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 28, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
Successful withdrawal fron SSRI meds can take months and even years and should be titrated down slowly.
Abrupt withdrawal can cause acute and frightening symptoms including electric shock type effects to the nerves, insomnia, agitation, paranoia and hallucinations- and even worse.
I think its the withdrawal from meds that cause the psychosis of some of these school shooters and not actually being on the med itself.

Benzodiazepine withdrawal (Xanax, Clonopin, Valium )is incredibly dangerous and will cause death if stopped abruptly.
This is why Jordan Peterson went to Russia and was put in a medical coma for months to detox from Clonapin- apparently the family thought it was the only way.

The best thing is to never start on these prescriptions, but if you are, withdrawal is serious business and not done willy-nilly.
^^^^ Agree.

"I think its the withdrawal from meds that cause the psychosis of some of these school shooters and not actually being on the med itself."

The psychosis can be (1) innate, (2) worsened by the SSRI, or (3) caused by sudden withdrawal from the SSRI.  Truly complicated. Few specialists can pierce the (((BigPharma))) agitprop to treat the patient to good effect.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Pax Vobis on December 28, 2024, 09:52:01 AM
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Who is surprised that PV "is sure" that there is a "Catholic" way of taking demonic risks?
I've not heard that EFT is demonic.  If you have evidence that it is, then show it.  If not, then shut up.

Is accupressure demonic?  Is a chiropractic doctor a witch?  Just because it's eastern medicine doesn't mean it's bad.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Gray2023 on December 28, 2024, 10:18:22 AM
Most priests I have talked to do not object to acupressure or chiropractic work, and eft falls in line with that.

The people who use this tool to get things end up going down a demonic path, but that is only because they are using a tool to get personal fulfillment leaving God out of the picture. (It is the same with witches using herbs for personal gain.) Anyone who leaves God out of the picture opens themselves up to demonic influence.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Gray2023 on December 28, 2024, 11:05:07 AM
Every competent exorcist testifies to these dangers.

Even without "spiritualism," the openness and "empty mind" approach of similar "therapies" are a significant risk.  Even yoga carries risk.

Who is surprised that PV "is sure" that there is a "Catholic" way of taking demonic risks?
Eft is not an openess and "empty mind" tool.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 28, 2024, 12:05:17 PM
EFT distracts with tapping while focusing on emotions and "energy."  Filling the mind with emotion and "energy" diminishes/excludes rational thought, hence a species of emptying the mind of rational thought, so is a veritable portal for extraordinary demonic activity.

Neither chiropractic nor accupuncture/accupressure enlist "focus on emotions."  Your analogy is bullshit. It's not the tapping or pressure points that are the problem. The problem is the diminution/exclusion of rational thought, an analog for emptying the mind and placing oneself in a receptive state bereft of the spiritual defenses of a rational mind.

Why am I no longer surprised that "trads" are gullible for quackery and New Age bullshit? "Trads" are wont to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so little discernment.


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Who is surprised that PV "is sure" that there is a "Catholic" way of taking demonic risks?
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Yeti on December 28, 2024, 01:06:49 PM
To the OP, could you please explain a little bit about this treatment and how it works? I have never heard of it either.

Basically, anything that attempts to use some supernatural force for curing someone is superstitious unless you're talking about praying to God for a return to health. If it attempts to use some natural mechanism, then it's fine.

That's all I can say without knowing anything else about this treatment.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Pax Vobis on December 28, 2024, 02:15:39 PM
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Filling the mind with emotion and "energy" diminishes/excludes rational thought, hence a species of emptying the mind of rational thought, so is a veritable portal for extraordinary demonic activity.
Ridiculous.  The whole method of tapping involves rational thought because you are 1) focusing on negative emotions and 2) tapping in a coordinated way. 

This is not some voodoo dance where one “feels the music” and gets carried away. 

It’s a scientific fact that bad emotions can cause ill health.  It’s where the word “disease” comes come…dis-ease.  You’re “not at ease”.

In the same way that massage and acupressure help relax the body and release stress, so does EFT help release stress. 

I’m sure one can use EFT in some new-age way, but that goes with anything.  You can use a tool in the wrong way and paganize it just like former Catholics think prayer is a superstition. 
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Stubborn on December 28, 2024, 03:08:17 PM
I was just looking to see what the view is on the practice of EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) tapping for Catholics who suffer psychological wounds/ trauma? Would it be a bad idea? I only ask because a lot of the priests I talk to don't seem to know anything about the psychological practices used today.

Some articles, that I don't think are traditional but are Catholic, say worst case is that it would open the door to demonic spirits because it is linked to and comes from eastern spirituality and it's new age and to stay away. But then others have said it's based on science and there's no sin in seeking medical help for a problem... So I'm not exactly sure what to think about it. I used to use it years ago and I really liked it and then I've used it recently with my last therapist but turned against it and went to confession for it cause I was afraid I was opening myself up to a false religion.

Any thoughts and suggestions about this would be great. Thanks.

I had to google "tapping":
 
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    Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT)

    A stress-relief technique that involves tapping on specific points of the body while focusing on an issue and repeating a self-acceptance statement:

    1. Think of an issue and measure how it makes you feel
    2. Create a statement that describes the issue and a statement of self-acceptance
    3. Tap the edge of your palm, below your little finger
    4. Tap the other points on your body, one at a time
    5. Repeat the sequence, often called a round, which takes about two minutes
I would think that at the very least, numbers 1 and 2 should be replaced with some specific short prayerful meditation, perhaps on a specific saint who might be a patron saint known to help in cases of the particular trauma, or perhaps to Our Lord or Our Lady. But as it is above, 1 and 2 is a type new age self brainwashing technique far as I know.

What I can say is that about 30 years ago, I was having major back, neck and fatigue problems which were diagnosed and eventually cured by a chiropractor who practiced "alternative medicine," he used a technique involving him applying slight resistance to my arm as I tried to lift it, while "tapping" certain, specific points on my body one at a time with his other hand. I cannot recall what that technique was called, but it worked, and it was amazing. Anyway, I am certain there is something to #4 if the doctor knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: songbird on December 28, 2024, 03:39:44 PM
go online and look up : Rosary controlling blood pressure.  When you read about it, you will find that it covers: slows breathing, lowers blood pressure, eases stress, and creates  well being.  Along with good nutrition.  

I knew a priest who suggested a therapy using tapping.  This might be the same idea.  He put leaflets where to obtain the therapy.  It was a non-denominational and for just $62.99.  

It was also used not only for hurts and pain but those who are addicted to porn.  Wow!  

Holy Mother Church has the most important ways to help: sacraments, rosary just for starters.  If you are addicted to gambling, and drinking, the Church years ago had the Sacred Heart group. To be a member you knew that sacraments were of the most important and as much as you could.  

The Powers of the Precious Blood are very powerful.  It is most important to do this first, to rule out any demonic possession and etc.  
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Cera on December 28, 2024, 04:22:31 PM
go online and look up : Rosary controlling blood pressure.  When you read about it, you will find that it covers: slows breathing, lowers blood pressure, eases stress, and creates  well being.  Along with good nutrition. 

I knew a priest who suggested a therapy using tapping.  This might be the same idea.  He put leaflets where to obtain the therapy.  It was a non-denominational and for just $62.99

It was also used not only for hurts and pain but those who are addicted to porn.  Wow! 

Holy Mother Church has the most important ways to help: sacraments, rosary just for starters.  If you are addicted to gambling, and drinking, the Church years ago had the Sacred Heart group. To be a member you knew that sacraments were of the most important and as much as you could. 

The Powers of the Precious Blood are very powerful.  It is most important to do this first, to rule out any demonic possession and etc. 
Is that a misprint? $62.99? Secular people have been giving this information away for decades free of charge.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: songbird on December 28, 2024, 06:30:18 PM
But for how long has the rosary and sacraments been with us, and no charge, and with our thoughts going to God and the family for help?
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 28, 2024, 09:14:43 PM
Ridiculous.  The whole method of tapping involves rational thought because you are 1) focusing on negative emotions and 2) tapping in a coordinated way. 

This is not some voodoo dance where one “feels the music” and gets carried away. 

It’s a scientific fact that bad emotions can cause ill health.  It’s where the word “disease” comes come…dis-ease.  You’re “not at ease”.

In the same way that massage and acupressure help relax the body and release stress, so does EFT help release stress. 

I’m sure one can use EFT in some new-age way, but that goes with anything.  You can use a tool in the wrong way and paganize it just like former Catholics think prayer is a superstition.

Self-contradictory word salad deserves only…


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Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: AMDGJMJ on December 29, 2024, 05:33:49 AM
I had to look EFT up.  I have heard of it in general before but never in detail.

I get the impression that the main thing (if dropping any of the weird "spiritual training stuff" associated with it) that it uses is tapping on acupuncture/acupressure points to help relieve stress.

My mother was a nurse and gave me an acupressure book years ago which explains how different pressure points can help with various allergies, nausea and such.  I can definitely attest to this being truly helpful with physical issues.  When my husband came down with mono recently, a good deep massage and use of pressure points to relieve nausea and tension headaches helped him more than almost anything else.  He could throw back numbers of ibuprofen and other pills without almost any benefit but actually relieving the physical tension was the only thing that really helped.  (That and homeopathic remedies like lavendar, bee balm, comfrey etc.)

Anyhow, I don't think I would ever go to a "tappist therapist" more because I would be concerned about them throwing their "spirituality" in with any physical treatment.  But, knowing some acupressure points to help treat stress and physical ailments at home can certainly be beneficial.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on December 29, 2024, 11:31:53 AM
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Scientists Discover Gene That Predisposes Jєωs to Schizophrenia and other genetic disorders
I wonder where that gene came from? (rhetorical question)
It came from their racial curse stemming from the events in Matthew 27:25.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on December 29, 2024, 11:33:57 AM
I think its the withdrawal from meds that cause the psychosis of some of these school shooters and not actually being on the med itself.
But even the warning inserts state risk of ѕυιcιdє and violent acts upon others as among the many side effects of taking the garbage. 
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 29, 2024, 01:47:32 PM

I had to look EFT up.  I have heard of it in general before but never in detail.

I get the impression that the main thing (if dropping any of the weird "spiritual training stuff" associated with it) that it uses is tapping on acupuncture/acupressure points to help relieve stress.

My mother was a nurse and gave me an acupressure book years ago which explains how different pressure points can help with various allergies, nausea and such.  I can definitely attest to this being truly helpful with physical issues.  When my husband came down with mono recently, a good deep massage and use of pressure points to relieve nausea and tension headaches helped him more than almost anything else.  He could throw back numbers of ibuprofen and other pills without almost any benefit but actually relieving the physical tension was the only thing that really helped.  (That and homeopathic remedies like lavendar, bee balm, comfrey etc.)

Anyhow, I don't think I would ever go to a "tappist therapist" more because I would be concerned about them throwing their "spirituality" in with any physical treatment.  But, knowing some acupressure points to help treat stress and physical ailments at home can certainly be beneficial.
The accupressure/accupuncture aspect of EFT is not the problem… The problems are due to the risks of diabolical extraordinary activity due to the diminution/exclusion of rational thought by focusing on/indulging in emotions.

Stubborn got it right when he said prayerful meditation should replace the New Age crap.

Catholics should not descend into their emotions, but instead employ the spiritual and intellectual measures necessary to overcome the base emotions.

Who is surprised that PV "is sure" that there is a "Catholic" way of taking demonic risks?
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Cera on December 29, 2024, 02:42:43 PM
We have to differentiate between EFT as it originated as a from of acupuncture and how it devolved into a psychological tool.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Mark 79 on December 29, 2024, 03:53:31 PM
We have to differentiate between EFT as it originated as a from of acupuncture and how it devolved into a psychological tool.

Some instances of differentiation are certainly legitimate, but I am reminded of the late Chabad "messiah" and his pilpul differentiation.


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Legitimate differentiation:

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Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Ekim on December 29, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
“It can't be Catholic if it's not traditional.”
Nonsense!  Medicine, science, technology develop over time.  We can’t possibly advise against a particular type of treatment simply because it’s new?  Even Padre Pio would advise the faithful to exhaust all modern medicine before presenting to him for a cure.  

instead of turning to an Internet forum for such answers you should probably ask your priest.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Gray2023 on December 29, 2024, 04:31:15 PM
I don't see how EFT is a demonic gateway.  It is not yoga.  It is not calling on any spiritual thing to help.  It is teaching your mind to not feel a past emotion.  Most psychological issues come from chemical imbalances or past trauma.   The thing that makes people sick is reliving the trauma every time a person thinks of a traumatic memory.  The fear of the same thing happening again also inhibits a person from going forward with their life.  The sad thing is that new agey people discover these tools and then those who are not new agey fear the tool.

20 years ago I took this tool and put God in the center of it.  It worked for me.  The tool helped with trauma in my marriage.  The tool helped with mental breakdowns.  I didn't have to become dependent on a pharmaceutical.  I know a lot about this tool and I would appreciate those who do not know anything about it to not give misinformation. 

If you want more info, then DM me and I will give you my number and we can discuss.  Not all tools work the same for all people.

Prayers for all.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Incredulous on January 06, 2025, 06:36:19 PM
I wonder where that gene came from? (rhetorical question)
It came from their racial curse stemming from the events in Matthew 27:25.

Believe their “recessive” genes are linked to inbreeding… but also a whole host of other sɛҳuąƖ sins impacting their genome.  

For example, a village population suffering from (6) generations of syphilis will be 
degenerate in mind & body.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Incredulous on January 07, 2025, 04:48:53 AM

The Protestant Ted Pike gives us a timeline of their Babylonian corruption.

Babylonian тαℓмυd (https://www.bitchute.com/video/dzKaAy9UyIcx/)

1,000 years of sɛҳuąƖ perversion… changed them, way before they made the curse of Our Lord’s Blood 🩸 on their race.
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 07, 2025, 05:09:04 AM
Science and medicine could be coming from the devil.   How many in the medical field, psychology and labs are atheists.   Many in medical field think they are gods.  They are creating these crazy diseases and the vaccines.  They are creating robotics.  

Never heard of tapping. 

We all need to put our trust in God. 
Title: Re: Catholics using EFT tapping
Post by: Incredulous on January 07, 2025, 06:42:46 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/GCMymEn.jpeg)

“Tap.. tap.. tap,
Hey… how’s it going?

Heard you were having some problems?

How about sharing your story with a fallen, angelic intelligence?”