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Luke 21:24?
« on: October 08, 2020, 09:31:27 AM »
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    • What does he mean by the time the gentiles is fulfilled , 
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2020, 10:06:07 AM »
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    • 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
    25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2020, 10:10:15 AM »
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    • IS there a cut off point for the gentiles in end times?
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2020, 10:21:04 AM »
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    • It does not mean it is currently too late for gentiles to be saved so we should all despair.
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2020, 10:32:46 AM »
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    • I never heard of this in catholic teaching.
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2020, 10:53:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: xavierpope on October 08, 2020, 09:31:27 AM
    What does he mean by the time the gentiles is fulfilled ,
    Here's a link to the Haydock Bible  https://www.ecatholic2000.com/haydock/title.shtml#LUKE  , it is THE SOURCE for finding out how the Fathers, Doctors , and Saints interpreted scripture. There are other books which show how the Fathers, Doctors , and Saints interpreted certain particular passages in scripture, but the most complete in one place is the Haydock Bible. Before asking any questions from laymen and even the clergy of our times, first go to the Haydock Bible. I read no other bible.

    Here's their commentary on Luke 21: 24-28


    Ver. 24. Whoever reads Josephus's history of the calamities which befell Jerusalem before its destruction, will find none of these terrible menaces unfulfilled. Seventy thousand were carried away captives in this war. After the soldiers were weary of killing, Titus ordered the finest of the young men to be kept to adorn his triumph. The number of captive Jєωs was so great in Rome, as to make the heathen poet, Rutilius Numantianus, who lived about the year 410, complain of it as a great burden to the empire.
    Atque utinam nunquam Judea subacta fuisset
    Pompeii bellis, imperioque Titi;
    Latius excisæ pestis contagia serpunt
    Victoresque suos natio victa premit.
    — Trodden down, &c. After Jerusalem had been taken and destroyed by the Romans, another city was built from its ruins, called Ælia, after the name of the emperor Ælius Adrian. This was inhabited by pagans and some Christians for the Jєωs were forbidden even to come near it, for more than two or three centuries. Tertullian informs us, that they even bought, at a great price, permission to see it at a distance, and drop a tear over the ashes of their ancient and ill-fated country. Thus was Jerusalem trodden under foot, till the time of the nations was accomplished; that is, till Christianity, in every nation, had triumphed over the persecution of paganism. Calmet. — Till the times of the nations be fulfilled. According to the common exposition of this, and some other places, the Jєωs from the time of the destruction of their temple and city, under Titus Vespasian; and especially from their utter destruction under the emperor Adrian, in punishment of their obstinate blindness, shall remain dispersed through the world under miseries and oppressions, till the gospel hath been preached to all nations; then, not long before the end of the world, the Jєωs shall be converted, and acknowledge Jesus to be their true Messias. See Rom. xi. 25. Wi.


    Ver. 26. The powers of heaven, &c. Some explain this of the angels, who shall be terrified and tremble at the sight of so many calamities. Others understand it of the heavenly bodies, the sun, moon, stars, &c. which shall in some sort, likewise, be confused in the general dissolution. The prophets often make use of such expressions, when speaking of the fall of monarchies, or the ruin of nations. The heavens shall be astonished and moved, &c. Ezech. xxxii. 7. Joel iii. 15. Calmet.


    Ver. 27. The Jєωs shall not see him corporally, but at the last judgment. Then, says the Scripture, (Zach. xii. 10.) They shall see him whom they pierced with nails. But in the ruin of Jerusalem, all who will compare his predictions with the event, can evidently see that this was the day of his coming, so plainly marked in his words. Every body could see that this was evidently the hand of God that punished them. Calmet.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2020, 12:32:09 PM »
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    • Catholics don't privately interpret Scripture; we have the Church interpret it for us. It is not something the average person has the ability or competence to interpret correctly, certainly not with any infallibility.

    So to answer your question: get a good Haydock or other Catholic bible, and read the commentary for that passage.
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2020, 01:17:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on October 08, 2020, 12:32:09 PM

    Catholics don't privately interpret Scripture; we have the Church interpret it for us. It is not something the average person has the ability or competence to interpret correctly, certainly not with any infallibility.

    Thank you, Matthew.
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    Re: Luke 21:24?
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 02:25:02 PM »
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    • powers of the earth shaken (sun and moon)

    does that imply he comes in secret? If we are to see this 
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