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Catholics and Labor Unions
« on: April 16, 2018, 11:17:12 PM »
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  • I joined a labor union and went to my first meeting tonight. I did not speak up to be sworn in. I'm supposed to at the next meeting, though I'm already a full member and pay dues. (Being sworn in is only symbolic or something and not even necessary.)

    Mostly seems that the members and committee are liberals or Democrats. I've been told that many folks around here were raised conservative so they vote Republican in the national elections and Democrat in the local elections.

    After working in Brazil and seeing the protections that workers have (in contrast to the U.S. where you can lose your job at any moment), it does seem that liberal politics do lip service and pass some laws for workers (for example Minnesota, a left-winger with strong Unions, where employers had 'punished' fired workers by 'losing' their last checks and eventually causing the 'last check within 24 hours' law).

    At the gut of the matter, it is interesting to see how labor unions work and the ins and outs of the labor force.

    Are there any things that Catholics should be aware of when dealing with Unions? Concerns?
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    Re: Catholics and Labor Unions
    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 10:58:01 PM »
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  • Unions are liberal.  They expect loyalty.  Unions are Democrat local and national.  No one in Union votes Republican ever.  Very rare.  They expect loyalty. 
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    The case against unions in America.
    Vic Biorseth, Saturday, May 02, 2009
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    We’ve all heard the clichéd pro-union talking points most of our lives:
    • Unions built this country.
    • Unions got better work conditions and pay for non-union members too.
    • Union workers build the best products in America.
    • American union workers are the best workers in the world.
    • If it were not for unions working conditions and pay would be horrible.
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    And so forth and so on. Are all these statements that we’ve all heard all our lives really true? In a word – no. The main problem here involves the view of what the purpose of a business is. 
    To the business man, or the would-be business man, the purpose of starting a business and running it is to make profit; the more the better. Every potential entrepreneur begins with the notion of, first, being his own boss, and second, of making more money than he could ever make by working for someone else for wages. That’s the business view of the very reason for the existence of the business. 
    To the union, just as to the Marxist, the purpose for the existence of a business is to employ workers to produce a product or a service, and profit has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Indeed, profit is a bad word. Any businessman who seeks to profit from his business is seen to be evil. Where the union and the Marxist differ is in what to do with excess revenue. The union would prefer that it all to go to the workers, and the Marxist would prefer that it go to the dictator – I mean to the Party – ostensibly for the support of all of society. (But really, for the dictator.) 
    The goals and the purpose for being of the union is antithetical to the success of the private business. The goals of the union and the goals of the private business in a free market are at cross-purposes. They oppose each other, straight up. The only way for the union to fully succeed in its purpose for being is if the private business stops being private or otherwise stops seeking private profit, as if it were owned by someone other than the union. If that point were ever reached, where the union fully controlled the business, of course, the business would soon die. 
    Customers drive the marketplace, and the customer will be pleased; as soon as the customer is no longer pleased with the product or service – or the price of it – the fickle customer will turn to competing businesses for the same product or service, which will always be provided better, faster and cheaper by competitive private businesses. That’s just the way it is. Union guys don’t want to accept it, but that’s still the way it is. 
    Patriotism – the “buy American” slogan – has nothing to do with it. Cold economics, especially in hard economic times, trumps bumper sticker slogans. Nobody is willingly going to pay more for less of a product or service, and that’s just never going to change. 
    Unions consistently and continually seek higher wages and more benefits for less work. They do not care what that does to the competitive price of the product or service the business in business to produce. So long as there is any profit visible, they want it applied to more pay and benefits for union members. Unions actively instigate work “slow downs” in which members under-perform or take longer to complete tasks, to force the business to hire more workers in order to increase union membership, just to meet business work quotas. Unions, which are big businesses, profit from union dues, the more the better. 
    When I came home from Vietnam, the first civilian job I got was at the GM Fleetwood plant in Detroit. I was mildly surprised to learn that I had to join the UAW. ??? It was what they called a “closed plant,” which meant that all employees had to be UAW members before they could be hired as employees. No choice in the matter. The union dues would be automatically deducted right straight out of my paycheck. I didn’t like having nothing to say about it. The biggest surprise, to me, was that it was a law. The government was involved in this. 
    The law said closed shops were legitimate. The law bound stalled contract negotiations to government “arbitration,” in which the government would almost always lean to the union position. Historically, businesses always yielded and unions just about never lost any ground; they always gained, even if only a little. The courts and the government seemingly joined together to gang up on “big business.” And the SLIMC1 joined right in – you can guess who’s side they were always on. 
    There was a purely union man, who had no “company” tasks, who was on the payroll and made more hourly than the rest of us, but who did nothing involving the production of Cadillacs. He was called the “Committee Man” and his sole function was to walk around or hang around making sure that no union rules or contracts were in any way violated. He was always anxious to write up “grievances” against the company. GM had to pay him to do that, and there were many more like him; every section of the whole assembly line had one. What do you think that did to the price of a Cadilac? 
    On the matter of loyalty – meaning to whom it was owed – you would think that it would be GM. But no. The logos you saw on hats, jackets, shirts and so forth were predominantly UAW, not GM. It was the same with bumper or window stickers on their cars. Workers were more proud of being union men than of being GM auto-workers. They felt less loyalty to the one who paid them than to their union. 
    I’ll go out on a limb here and say that every big and famous union in America was originally organized by:
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    • Organized crime families or other gangsters;
    • Communist organizers; or, 
    • Both of the above.
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    If that is not true of any major American union I’ll be very surprised. 
    There has always been a close relationship between Marxism and the criminal element. Marxists need criminals, from the lowest levels of society, and from the highest. Marxism draws the criminal element. Major crime leaders, corrupt politicians and officials, corrupt big businessmen come from the top levels. Petty criminals from the lower social levels become the grass-roots “organizers” and trench-soldiers at the street level. Every historical Marxist dictator, especially the bloodiest ones – Stalin and Hitler – surrounded themselves with and inner ring of ruthless thugs, sociopaths and killers. 
    Even Castro, mild among Marxist dictators, had his Che Guevara, chief of his political murderers, who could have ordered all on the enemies listskilled, but who so often preferred to pull the trigger himself, and who so enjoyed killing people’s children before their eyes, before finally killing them. We can only guess who Obama might use in a similar capacity to “purge” his Party of enemies. 
    Now, some might think I’m going a bit far a-field here, but I don’t think so. “Workers Unite!” is the fundamental battle cry of Marxism; it is the grass-roots starting point of social revolution. But when the Marxists take the field and win the victory, everything changes for the workers. Take long, hard look at the Solzhenitsyn Speaks page to see how Marxism deals with worker negotiations in a full-on Marxist society. The chief labor negotiating tool of Marxism is the machine gun
    This is quite serious.
    Look at the authority Obama is now exercising over formerly private industries and formerly private banks, with no opposition, and take fair warning.
    Pray for America, Western Culture, and the whole world.
    Get down on your knees and pray.
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    Addendum Sat Jul 11 09:09:14 2009
    Church teaching, a sense of justice and common sense should tell you that workers have every right to organize unions to collectively secure just compensation and working conditions. 
    We do not quarrel or argue with that obvious right. What we argue against is the “right”, or power, of a union to force someone to join against his own free will. When unions attain the size, power and scope that many American unions have attained, the Rule of Subsidiarity is violated just the same as when a government, or a monopoly, interferes with it. No union should become a monopoly itself. No union should be able to shut down an entire industry over the problems of one local workshop. 
    The conditions in Eastern Europe leading to the eventual fall of the Evil Empire of the Soviet Union were somewhat different. There, the Solidarity Movement was an organization of workers who resisted the owners of the means of production, which is to say, the state. Worker-citizens of a so-called Socialist and so-called Communist absolute dictatorship stood up to show the world the true nature of their “Worker’s Paradise.” 
    Up until then, no workers had ever dared to participate in a determined worker’s strike against a ruthless dictator and survived. 


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    Re: Catholics and Labor Unions
    « Reply #3 on: April 18, 2018, 02:18:10 AM »
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  • I think we should keep in mind Pope Leo XIII's encyclical, Rerum Novarum when studying these questions.

    http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html

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    Re: Catholics and Labor Unions
    « Reply #4 on: April 18, 2018, 06:40:31 AM »
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  • “Anti-Catholic” Union Advocating ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Agenda May Face Human Rights Commission
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    By Tim Waggoner
    OTTAWA, September 5, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - After being denied his request to be exempt from paying dues to a union whose "radical agenda supercedes the rights of workers" (the Public Service Alliance of Canada) Dave MacDonald two weeks ago filed a 10-page complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC). MacDonald claims that he has been discriminated against and harassed based on his religious beliefs, in violation of the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
    In his complaint, MacDonald explains how the government operated Treasury Board heard and denied his request not to pay union dues to PSAC, a decision he says violates his "freedom of conscience and religion, freedom of association, liberty, and equality rights" by discriminating against him on the basis of a "prohibited ground, namely, religion."
    Although MacDonald, a faithful Catholic, has no qualms about paying dues to trade unions, he detailed how PSAC does not operate as a "trade union" but rather as a "political organization", which according to his religious beliefs is not an entity he should be forced to support. MacDonald provided countless examples in his complaint detailing how PSAC has over the years worked to further the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ agenda instead of the good of the workers PSAC is supposed to be representing.
    He described how in 2004, during a meeting of local presidents, PSAC officials said that they would not "support a Conservative candidate for office if they were 100% supportive of labour issues," because the "Conservative Party was homophobic."
    He also mentioned how PSAC has close ties to the political action group Equal Marriage, which advocates for same-sex "marriage." When Alex Munter, president of Equal Marriage, ran for the office of mayor of Ottawa, he did so rent-free out of PSAC offices on Gilmour Street in Ottawa with the aid of paid PSAC employees.
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  • Parents outraged as teachers union hosts LGBT activist who defends public sex acts
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     ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity ,  Kristopher Wells ,  Parental Rights
    EDMONTON, Alberta, February 27, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Alberta’s teachers’ union has come under fire from parents for hosting a keynote address by an LGBT activist who frequently posts sɛҳuąƖly explicit material on social media.
    The Alberta Teachers’ Association defended its decision to host pro-LGBT activist Dr. Kristopher Wells for an address on February 22 to the Palliser District Teachers’ Convention.
    Wells is the Faculty Director for the University of Alberta’s Institute for sɛҳuąƖ Minority Studies and Services, and his university bio credits him for creating a variety of initiatives for gαy students, as well as advisory roles with the Canadian Senate, Canadian Teachers' Federation, Alberta Teachers' Association, Public Health Agency of Canada, and various local governments, through which he holds considerable influence in shaping LGBT-related policies.
    On February 20, the Alberta-based Parents for Choice in Education (PCE) wrote a letter to Alberta Teachers Association president Greg Jeffrey asking him to review a range of conduct they argued should disqualify Wells from participating in the event. They noted that he has shared sɛҳuąƖly explicit material on social media, promoted a cartoon comparing Christians to nαzιs, defended public sex acts, publicly mocked private correspondences from parents, and promoted various materials that graphically encourage sɛҳuąƖ experimentation among minors.
    The letter, signed by PCE Executive Director Donna Trimble and PCE Communications Advisor Theresa Ng, argues that elevating Wells is inconsistent with the ATA’s duty to “ensur[e] that anyone entrusted to provide support to staff and students exemplifies only the highest professional standards of public conduct.”
    Nevertheless, Jeffrey issued a statement published on the ATA's website dismissing PCE’s objections as “without merit.” Calling Wells a “prominent and well-regarded expert in the field of education and gender issues” and a champion of LGBT staff and students, he reaffirmed the ATA’s support for both “the quality of his work” and his “professionalism.”
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    “The current campaign to discredit Dr Wells is driven by an organisation that lobbies against virtually all initiatives designed to support sɛҳuąƖ and gender minority students,” Jeffrey declared.
    At PCE’s website, Trimble responded by noting that the ATA neglected to directly address any of the specific examples they had raised. She further asked, in light of the fact that the ATA defines education standards for all of Alberta, how residents can “have any confidence in the state of public education when the bar of so-called ‘professionalism’ is set at this level.”
    PCE compiled screenshots of Wells’ controversial social media postings in a separate post (WARNING: graphic content). One shares a cartoon in which a masked Christian is about to execute a kneeling man wearing a rainbow flag, with shadows cast on the wall of a nαzι officer doing the same to a Jєωιѕн prisoner. Others criticize Toronto police for enforcing laws against sex in public parks, which Wells suggested does nothing but “build fear & distrust of police.”
    On June 13, 2016, the Edmonton Metro quoted Wells as declaring that critics of Alberta Education’s “Guidelines to Best Practices” docuмent were peddling the “kinds of messages” that “turn into violence”—a reference to the Pulse Nightclub shooting that had occurred the night before in Orlando, Florida, in which Muslim extremist Omar Mateen murdered 49 people. Wells has also promoted links to so-called “community support” videos and websites that encourage K-12 students to participate in “group masturbation,” teach them oral sex techniques, and graphically describe and endorse a variety of other sɛҳuąƖ acts.
    LifeSiteNews has also covered Wells’ ideas on multiple occasions. Last April, Alberta Progressive Conservative leader Jason Kenney told the Calgary Herald that he believed “parents have a right to know what’s going on with their kids in the schools unless the parents are abusive” in response to questions whether schools should have to inform parents that their children self-identify as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or transgendered. Kenney called it a “complex” issue, to which Wells tweeted, “The only things that seems ‘complex’ is Kenney’s failed support for LGBTQ youth.”
    In July 2016, Wells endorsed Canadian Blood Services’ decision to reduce the waiting period for sɛҳuąƖly-inactive gαy men to donate blood from five years to one, despite concerns over tainted blood, by declaring “it’s time to move forward.” In September 2013, LifeSiteNews covered the case of Wrenna Kauffman, then an eleven-year-old girl, whose parents allowed her to start living as a boy on Wells’ advice. The report noted that Wells had previously assisted a “sex role swap” for a Catholic school student as young as Grade 2.

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    Lay teachers have ratified a new labor agreement with the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, ensuring that 17 Catholic high schools will open on time in September.

    Members of Local 1776 of the Association of Catholic Teachers voted Tuesday to accept the one-year deal, which offers salary increases of $1,100 for the contract year starting Sept. 1.
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    Re: Catholics and Labor Unions
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    When I came home from Vietnam, the first civilian job I got was at the GM Fleetwood plant in Detroit. I was mildly surprised to learn that I had to join the UAW.
    There was a purely union man, who had no “company” tasks, who was on the payroll and made more hourly than the rest of us, but who did nothing involving the production of Cadillacs. He was called the “Committee Man” and his sole function was to walk around or hang around making sure that no union rules or contracts were in any way violated. He was always anxious to write up “grievances” against the company. GM had to pay him to do that, and there were many more like him; every section of the whole assembly line had one. What do you think that did to the price of a Cadilac?
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    I am doing work right now at GM. I see Cadillacs being made all day. Most of the work is being done by robots. I do the electrical work to the robot welders. The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers sent me, not the UAW. The people that work there are UAW and their union is strong because of the fact that it comes out of Michigan, which I'm guessing is not a 'right to work state'.

    I can see both sides of the coin regarding Unions and Owners of the means of production. Rerum Novarum and Quadraginta Annis is the only real way to look at it through Catholic eyes.

    The Unions can screw over the workers just as fast as the capitalists will. The existence of both entities does give some, if only false, security to the worker. Worker's rights are a real issue, especially in America where the militant advocates of abortion tote the rally cry of women's rights and behind the scenes make sure that the US remains one of only two countries in the entire world which does not have a state mandated paid maternity leave (because liberals want women to need to choose careers and liberty over babies!). But women do fulfill traditional roles in the workforce such as nurses and teachers and deserve a paid maternity leave, in my opinion.

    Workers are expendable and can lose their jobs in a second with nothing to fall back on except the fear of being broke and searching for a job or becoming a "burden to the state".

    Cheating a worker of his due is a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance comparable only to sodomy, murder or stealing from the poor. Companies do actually do things like not pay worker's health insurance and Unions can be important to speak up for workers.
    There is no Union man at GM representing IBEW. There is a safety rep that makes sure no one is doing something that could get them killed. People die doing what we do. It happens more than people think. I'm thankful for our safety guy. The last Union meeting requested in their negotiations with contractors access to secure places like GM because a person had gotten burnt at GM and they had to wait two whole weeks before they were even granted access to investigate. That is bad and could affect whole families. The price of a new cadillac is the least of my concerns. It shows the true colors of the poster focusing on the price of a Cadillac, my goodness. They would be expensive regardless and because of free market competition, they cannot put whatever price they want to on them. That only happens in closed economies where the state owns a monopoly on the product that produces capital (socialism).

    If they want to sell Cadillacs, they make them affordable in comparison to the competitor's price. If they want skilled labor, they deal with Unions who negotiate worker's benefits and salaries. The only people who oppose one or the other of these two concepts are the socialists and capitalists because the workers and consumers benefit under these situations.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...