Well my theory is The Traditional mass is like  LIGHT to a VAMPIRE. The No's especially hate it. WHY?

Its not a sounds good feel good type emotional experience. Rock n Roll Jesus doesnt exist in the Most Holy and Reverent Mass for All Time.

Nowadays christians have so many innovations and creativity going for them. Its all MAN Centered instead of GOD CENTERED.

I have heard the Latin Mass sung the way its suppose to be and it is beautiful. Too bad there are not so many traditional catholics and even less who know how to professionally sing at one of these.

The pressure is on the remnant church seems to be the only church. God wants us hot or cold and being catholic is no easy thing.

My thoughts, your friendly canadian

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I had given my dad a book to read that was written sometime in the 1800s'.

My dad was angry about the second Vatican council being slammed in the modern text preceding the book. Why do people like my dad support such evil as the second Vatican Council?

If me and my dad had a debate , my dad could not prove the second Vatican Council to be infallible.

Typically you will find that the people who really do loathe the Traditional Latin Mass are 'baby boomers' who were young when the changes started to come in after Vatican II. It's my opinion that these Catholics hold the Second Vatican Council as sort of 'their own' because it was their generation that experienced it. Therefore, in their mind, everything that came from that council was utterly brilliant, including the New Mass. The pre-conciliar Church was painted as an anti-woman, cold, dark, patriarchal, oppressive institution by the baby boomer movements; such as the hippies, the feminists, the lgbt/gαy crowd, etc. So when they see a TLM it signifies for them pre-conciliarism of which they strenuously oppose.

The young Catholics who oppose the TLM more than likely were brought up with a very liberal Novus Ordo where it was all about emotion, feeling good, and being community based (man centred). The accompanying mentality is often 'Everyones saved', 'No one is in Hell', 'Only such thing as societal sin'. They haven't yet experienced true Catholicism.

Through Jesus and Mary,

TT.

I believe that a Catholic who truly loves God and believes that the Roman Catholic Church was started by Jesus of Nazareth would literally fly to the Traditional Latin Mass and, once made aware, be suspicious of the novus ordo mass.  The NO mass is clearly man centered.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that isn't very charitable but I believe there is a kernal of truth to it and that is that the novus ordo mass appeals to people who want the image of being a church-goer but don't really take God very seriously.  It's not by accident that in a novus ordo church you will hear a homily talking about how "God hates plastic" and a homily on Christmas Eve that "this is the night where man and God mixed" as if man and God were equal parts to be combined.

If banality was the only gripe against the novus ordo mass, there wouldn't be a Traditionalist movement.

There's nothing beautiful about a hydrid protestantized mass where even the Holy Communion is treated very cavalierly.  

Yeah, one way the devil gets people, is he lets them convince themselves that they are good for a long time.  Then when they have a chance to see the truth, by accepting the faith, it shines a light on what they really are -- sinners.  They can't face it and they run away, they want to feel good about themselves, not abase themselves before God and admit how much time they've wasted and how many lives they may have harmed.  They deny God's truth in order to maintain the illusion they have carefully built up and which they think makes them comfortable; though deep down their consciences are uneasy.

It really is like a vampire shunning the light.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs want to be around other ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  They often go so far as to uglify the churches they're in because they don't want to be reminded of the glory of God, so they replace a reverent image with a ghoulish, freaky one.  They actually feel more comfortable with those heinous Novus Ordo images than with classic ones.  Why do you think all this wreckification is going on?  These people are literally creating the nauseating, insincere, clammy, sickly environment that reflects their consciences.  They are like crabs who scuttle away from the light, crawling under a rock, gathering together where they feel comfortable.

This is why Christ was hated and killed, and it's why His true followers are hated.  We have all talked to Novus Ordo people who seem to instinctively dislike us, to not want to hear what we're saying.  We are often a reminder of everything they are running from.  They have built a carefully-sealed illusion around themselves, where nothing much is required from them.  The last thing they want to hear is about the fewness of the elect, about their sins, about the cross, etc.

What about Catholicism and The Traditional Mass which are so beautiful  do so many people find fault with?

I think the communist infiltration of the Vatican resulted in the changes made in Vatican II.  By taking away the Trinitine Latin Mass, they could easily water down the Catholic faith, making a new age mass in the native tongue and start pushing things like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ agenda.  I am a new convert to the RCC, a former herertic coming from the Anglican Church and left that because of things like the gαy agenda and opening up the debate for gαy marriage, and women preists that resulted in the lack of Nuns.  After only a year in the RCC, I've decided to leave and join the SSPX, as it so happens I live roughly a 5 minute walk from the only SSPX in manitoba, so it must be a sign from God.  I've experience the Latin Mass once, and it was something to behold, I yearn for it now.  Last week I went to the RCC Mass and was so utterly empty feeling after, I can't believe the direction the Church has headed in and the lack of cracking down on pedo priests, I simply cannot give my money to an organization anymore that probably spends most of it on legal fees defending pedophiles.  I've never heard of these scandals in the SSPX and see now that the SSPX is more concerned with being real Catholics then bending to today's society.  Now there's the new age Catholics, borderline heretics who like to ridicule the people who want the trinitine Mass.  I have the full support of the Roman Catholic Nun who sponsered me when I took the RCIA program and took the proclamation of faith I was already baptized and confirmed in the anclican church as she was the one who started me on the Latin, I pray that she will eventually take her vows as a Nun again with the SSPX, as we talk alot about stuff like the communists infiltrating the Vatican and how their pushing the gαy agenda.  I'd give it 10 years at the most, not even until the first openly gαy priest is in the RCC.

Amen, I already long for it, heresies will always happen, but in these times the worst are becoming true.  My priest pushes the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ agenda, saying no one is to judge others, God made them like that.  I'm disgusted, that's why I'm leaving and giving my 5$ a week to the SSPX, and 5$ a week for me is alot right now, simply because I'd rather them have it, because they practice the true Catholic faith.