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Offline John Grace

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« on: July 10, 2012, 12:17:57 PM »
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  • A couple of days ago some houses together were sold in Ireland. A missed/lost opportunity for Tradition in many ways. They could easily have been bought by some Traditionalists. A friend alerted me to it but it was too late in the day to make publicity and raise finance.

    Co-operatives need to be established and houses in rural areas need to be bought. Catholic villages will be the result.

    I'm sure it is and will be applied in other countries also. I remember a thread about it here on Cath Info.

    We need to be rebuilding our society with an emphasis on ruralism.



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    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 11:46:45 AM »
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  • I agree and have considered doing something similar here in the states.

    The problem is that any such settlement will have to comply with the anti-Catholic laws of the country it is in.

    Unless you are prepared to declare independence, which I have also considered.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »
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  • These things most always fail.

    Not least because you are attracting a load of people who are running away from the big bad world.

    I know two Trad brothers both married with children who cannot even share an acre of land gifted to them by their father.  They've fallen out over something or other and now are not talking to each other despite the fact that they live within the same compound and can see each other's houses and gardens from their windows.

    Trad villages have been tried before and they never last.  Opinionated self-righteous people who shoot at each other and declare people "heretics" at the drop of a hat are not going to be able to make a village work.

    The SSPX can't even hold it together, you think some rural village in Ireland a bankrupt country with few jobs can?

    It would quickly become a cult hellhole, the best people would leave and only the cult slaves and the cult leaders would remain until finally it collapsed because of economic reality hitting home.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 02:00:59 PM »
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  • Look at the Hutterites and also the plain groups that own individual property.
     

    Offline John Grace

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    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 02:15:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    These things most always fail.

    Not least because you are attracting a load of people who are running away from the big bad world.

    I know two Trad brothers both married with children who cannot even share an acre of land gifted to them by their father.  They've fallen out over something or other and now are not talking to each other despite the fact that they live within the same compound and can see each other's houses and gardens from their windows.

    Trad villages have been tried before and they never last.  Opinionated self-righteous people who shoot at each other and declare people "heretics" at the drop of a hat are not going to be able to make a village work.

    The SSPX can't even hold it together, you think some rural village in Ireland a bankrupt country with few jobs can?

    It would quickly become a cult hellhole, the best people would leave and only the cult slaves and the cult leaders would remain until finally it collapsed because of economic reality hitting home.


    I have no intention of replying to you. I recall your calumny against Roberto Fiore.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 03:57:50 PM »
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  • I thought Fiore was involved in one of these village projects in Spain in 1999.  A sort of Hobbiton for Neo-nαzιs.  How did that work out?

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    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 05:57:31 PM »
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  • I started a thread about this a while back and was a bit disappointed in the lack of interest. One problem is there just isn't enough of us. In Canada you could move to Welwyn Saskatchewan but it's so far from everything and everyone. You would almost have to reach out to NO Catholics to make a of it.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 02:26:11 AM »
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  • Accoording to the laws against discrimination in this country, it would be pretty difficult to establish a Catholic Village.  Other faiths and even pagans would move in to the village.  You cannot discriminate against anyone based on  religion , creed or color when you sell real estate.
    I guess the most ideal Catholic community is  St Mary's Kansas.  The town is almost (but not all) Catholic.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 06:35:39 AM »
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  • Of course you can.  You just cannot do it openly.

    It would be very easy for people in St. Mary's to accept offers for their house from other Traditional Catholics, especially if they were working through a Catholic Real Estate Agent.

    "His financing seemed more in place", "they had what looked like a shorter chain", "their buyers were cash, so we felt happier about their offer", "they did not want to move in till September which suited us better".  "They wanted to move in next month, which suited us better".

    What actually happens, of course, is that the pagans offer a few thousand more for the property and greed means the Catholic seller takes the pagan's offer.  They don't care because they are moving out of town anyway.

    If everyone worked for the good of the community and put their selfish interests second then you could build a little peace of Traditional Catholic Heaven.

    But people don't do that do they.  They convince themselves that Hitler was not really such a bad chap or that the Jєωs are all evil or that women in trousers are evil feminists intent on castrating them and stealing their children.  The young priest who turns up to serve them is too liberal or too sympathetic to Bishop Fellay's point of view.

    These dream villages simply attract kooks.  Balanced people, like me, who could be tolerant of the foibles of others, start new businesses, organise, employ people, would never sign up because we know what would happen.  Within a year I'd be accused of being mercenary, or anti-distributionist, or liberal, or heretical or anti-royalist or some other crap.

    The rich already have villages like this.  They are called gated communities.  They work well because they all have a common purpose.  To stay rich and keep the riff-raff out.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 07:10:33 AM »
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  • Alternatively you'd have the properties owned by an off-shore trust and peppercorn rental paid by the tennants. (who would actually be the beneficial owners of the trust)

    There are all manner of legal mechanisms you could use.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 08:04:34 AM »
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  • I never thought that it would be officially a Catholic village, just a few traditional families locate a place that suits their needs, move in and be there for new families who want to move there. In a town of 500 hundred people it wouldn't take many people to become the dominant group. Especially these places in the country that have been hit hard by the economy, a lot of people there are down and out or really old.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 11:59:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    A couple of days ago some houses together were sold in Ireland. A missed/lost opportunity for Tradition in many ways. They could easily have been bought by some Traditionalists. A friend alerted me to it but it was too late in the day to make publicity and raise finance.

    Co-operatives need to be established and houses in rural areas need to be bought. Catholic villages will be the result.

    I'm sure it is and will be applied in other countries also. I remember a thread about it here on Cath Info.

    We need to be rebuilding our society with an emphasis on ruralism.



    John Grace, when I get my degree and finally leave America for good, if you sponsor me for emigration to Ireland, I will gladly purchase a home and welcome all Trads to it. We can build a chapel nearby, with bare hands if need be, and invite a Trad priest to come live with us. Then we can build a monastery, seminary, and hospital, all Catholic, and we will almost have ourselves a village!