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Offline Marlelar

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« on: September 21, 2012, 07:18:52 PM »
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  • Is anyone here doing anything towards emergency preparedness?  I'm not one who thinks that the implosion of the US is just around the corner (it may or may not be) but I do think it is wise to prepare for natural/personal disaster (e.g. hurricanes/unemployment) or even interruptions in deliveries.  I've spoken with a few other Catholics and they have w/o exception had the "Lord will provide"  type of attitude.  Someone even told me that it showed a lack of faith to do anything related to preparedness.

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    Marsha


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    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2012, 09:03:36 PM »
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  • There's a whole section of this forum with plenty of posts about this topic.

    Look at the Catholic Bunker section of this forum:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=forum&f=12

    or the Greater Depression section (somewhat)

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=forum&f=7


    You'll find many 'preppers' here

    Anyone who insists such preparations imply a lack of faith, explain to them the concept of 'presumption' (not the theological vice of presumption)


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    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 09:49:47 PM »
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  • http://foodstoragemadeeasy.net/

    I believe the ladies who run this blog are Mormon, but it has great info on food storage prep.

    They also have great ideas on breadmaking. :)
    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25

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    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 09:54:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    You'll find many 'preppers' here

    Anyone who insists such preparations imply a lack of faith, explain to them the concept of 'presumption' (not the theological vice of presumption)


    Yes, "the Lord will provide" often includes giving you the resources, intellectual and material, to be prepared beforehand. Think of Joseph (son of Jacob) and their Egyptian famine. They were given 7 years of plenty and were expected to use and store those resources wisely to get them and their neighbors through lean years. It doesn't mean there won't be miracles of Providence during a crisis but for many of us, God is providing right now. We just have to open our eyes to it.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 04:21:46 PM »
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  • My mother and I have been 'prepping' for years now. Not only food but just about everything. After my father died a year and a half ago we even moved to a climate with a longer growing season and bought a house (cheaper than the old family home) with lots of land, a source of water, woods and a fireplace. I have a large wheel plow and tools that I never thought of having before. A lot of basic food stored away (flour, rice, dried beans, dried fruit and those huge dehydrated cans of eggs) but would probably only just be enough before the first serious garden crop would grow to harvest. We are looking into getting chickens. I've spent countless hours researching and buying books on forgotten crafts and have tried my hand at a few (weaving, basket making). Instead of music lessons, my sons learn to chop wood, hunt, trap and build things. Growing herbs and collecting their seeds was a big project this year. I had lots useful herbs at the old house and this was the first summer starting over at the 'new' place. I must say I am not looking forward in the future with washing with a washboard and wringer -- my first attempt makes me thank God everytime I use my washer!

    My mother and I have a running joke about the amount of oil lamps and fuel we have. Everytime we come across lamp oil in a store, we joke that just perhaps we should buy ONE more bottle -- just in case, LOL!

    And don't think we have unlimited income, either. We are both widows and scrimp and save as much we can. Prayer comes first, but I would be a fool if I didn't prepare for the survival of my family.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 04:59:25 PM »
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  • Wheat Berries keep a long, long time.  I think at least 20 years, but there are stories about edible wheat being recovered from ancient Egyptian and Roman jars.  

    Rice is pretty much hopeless!   :jester:

    Distilled water is supposed to keep forever, although it doesn't taste too nice after a while  :laugh1:


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    « Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 05:33:09 PM »
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  • Yes, there are entire sections of this forum dedicated to "prepping".

    The founder/owner of this forum (that would be me) is a bit of a prepper too, though I'm on hiatus right now trying to raise a growing family (#5 coming in December).

    The oldest 2 of my kids are starting to be old enough to help out, so I'm hoping to get back into gardening, chickens, etc. once we get a major project taken care of around here.

    And yes, it comes under the virtue of prudence to see a shaky situation around you and prepare for a disruption. A financial collapse, for example, is a simple question of mathematics, so it can easily be predicted. How long can the money supply expand 10% every year, given a finite world and resources?  Answer: Not for long.

    How many fiat currencies have collapsed in the past? Answer: All of them. The only ones that haven't collapsed are new, so they just haven't collapsed YET. The US Dollar is getting very close to the precipice. I would advise not keeping more than 2-3 months worth of living expenses in US Dollars. If the dollar collapsed, you'd be kicking yourself until your dying day.

    http://www.truthistreason.net/a-look-at-the-past-all-fiat-currencies-collapse-and-fail

    Much wiser to put that money into land, equipment, garden tools, things that produce, things that save you lots of money (solar panels, solar hot water heater) things that hold value (physical gold & silver).
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    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 01:30:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Yes, there are entire sections of this forum dedicated to "prepping".

    The founder/owner of this forum (that would be me) is a bit of a prepper too, though I'm on hiatus right now trying to raise a growing family (#5 coming in December).

    The oldest 2 of my kids are starting to be old enough to help out, so I'm hoping to get back into gardening, chickens, etc. once we get a major project taken care of around here.

    And yes, it comes under the virtue of prudence to see a shaky situation around you and prepare for a disruption. A financial collapse, for example, is a simple question of mathematics, so it can easily be predicted. How long can the money supply expand 10% every year, given a finite world and resources?  Answer: Not for long.

    How many fiat currencies have collapsed in the past? Answer: All of them. The only ones that haven't collapsed are new, so they just haven't collapsed YET. The US Dollar is getting very close to the precipice. I would advise not keeping more than 2-3 months worth of living expenses in US Dollars. If the dollar collapsed, you'd be kicking yourself until your dying day.

    http://www.truthistreason.net/a-look-at-the-past-all-fiat-currencies-collapse-and-fail

    Much wiser to put that money into land, equipment, garden tools, things that produce, things that save you lots of money (solar panels, solar hot water heater) things that hold value (physical gold & silver).

    Very sound observations and conclusions.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 12:33:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: wallflower
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    You'll find many 'preppers' here

    Anyone who insists such preparations imply a lack of faith, explain to them the concept of 'presumption' (not the theological vice of presumption)


    Yes, "the Lord will provide" often includes giving you the resources, intellectual and material, to be prepared beforehand. Think of Joseph (son of Jacob) and their Egyptian famine. They were given 7 years of plenty and were expected to use and store those resources wisely to get them and their neighbors through lean years. It doesn't mean there won't be miracles of Providence during a crisis but for many of us, God is providing right now. We just have to open our eyes to it.


    That's exactly what I think!  I'm glad to know I'm not really alone :)  I just don't understand the "head in the sand" mentality.  I usually only broach the subject once with a person unless they show interest.

    I will post further inquiries in the bunker.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 03:54:28 PM »
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  • Don't worry, in Tradland you won't find yourself alone.

    My attitude to prepping is why the heck not store a few months of food in the house.  No return on money sitting in the bank and food rarely goes down in price.  Buying it now and eating it in six months might well save you 5-10% of the cost.  It also saves wasting a lot of gas buying smaller amounts.

    But you'll NEVER be able to buy everything, so the most important thing will be to get along with your neighbours, help them and rely on them.  This is true for natural disasters as well as economic collapse, war or marshall law being declared.

    Invite your neighbours to dinner, mow the old man's lawn next time you have the mower out.  Get your kids to tidy up his yard or pick up some neighbourhood trash.  This is MUCH more useful than 1000 tins of baked beans, pineapple chucks and tuna.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 07:14:28 PM »
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  • Why aren't more traditional Catholics concerned about food storage? We all know there's a chastisement coming. It just makes sense to put back food and other supplies for that time.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 08:44:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Alexandrina1
    Why aren't more traditional Catholics concerned about food storage? We all know there's a chastisement coming. It just makes sense to put back food and other supplies for that time.


    I don't know why. Some don't have time or money to "adequately" do so, so they basically leave the subject completely alone, if they don't go into complete denial on the topic.

    It's hard to admit you need to prep, but can't for whatever reason.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 06:56:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    Why aren't more traditional Catholics concerned about food storage? We all know there's a chastisement coming. It just makes sense to put back food and other supplies for that time.


    I don't know why. Some don't have time or money to "adequately" do so, so they basically leave the subject completely alone, if they don't go into complete denial on the topic.

    It's hard to admit you need to prep, but can't for whatever reason.


    I get that prepping can be a lot of time and money. It can be, but it doesn't have to be. A bag of dried beans can be bought for less then dollar and soda bottle can be rinsed out and filled with water. That's prepping almost anyone can do. I try to do some kind of prepping every day. This is the one thing that the Mormons have right. They encourage their members to put back one year supply. I'd like to see Catholics do that, too.

    I'm not prepping for a worst case scenario. In a totally worst case scenario nobody but the Rothchilds of the world are going to survive, anyway. But I don't think things will come to that, not if the prophecies are correct and we're going to have a world that's Catholic after the tribulation.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 11:41:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alexandrina1

    I get that prepping can be a lot of time and money. It can be, but it doesn't have to be. A bag of dried beans can be bought for less then dollar and soda bottle can be rinsed out and filled with water. That's prepping almost anyone can do. I try to do some kind of prepping every day. This is the one thing that the Mormons have right. They encourage their members to put back one year supply. I'd like to see Catholics do that, too.

    I'm not prepping for a worst case scenario. In a totally worst case scenario nobody but the Rothchilds of the world are going to survive, anyway. But I don't think things will come to that, not if the prophecies are correct and we're going to have a world that's Catholic after the tribulation.


    I totally agree with the survivalists for the need to prepare for a collapse, which I believe is inevitable.

    However, I can't really consider myself a survivalist, since I don't spend that much time or money on preparation. Or if you judge based on what you've done so far, I also fall short.

    However, I would describe myself as "prudent". I do what I can, given the money -- and, more importantly, TIME -- that I have.

    A gas can isn't that expensive ($13). I've bought a few. And right now gas is pretty cheap. You can't keep it long, but if you cycle through it you can store some 5-gallon cans. I figure it would be really nice to have gas for things like weedwhackers, mowers, cars, etc.

    And like you said, making some provision for the VERY BASICS OF LIFE such as food and water isn't that difficult. Especially over time.

    I don't have time to practice defensive military tactics, set up remote cameras, etc. And while my house is rural, it's completely visible from the street (albeit from a 200 foot distance). It's not secluded, nor is it an impregnable fortress with defenses laid out by an ex-marine.

    And I don't have the MONEY to buy a solar panel system or even a generator. Generators are noisy anyhow; I'm more of a solar panel person. I have a few smaller panels to charge USB devices (and rechargeable batteries). Strictly speaking, electricity isn't necessary for life anyhow, unless you count "Air conditioning in Summer in Texas", and you're not going to be able to run a central A/C unit off a generator or solar panel system! At least not on the system most people would normally buy.

    Let's put it this way:

    Cost of a good generator: $1000
    Cost of a good generator that can power an A/C unit able to cool your house during the summer in Texas: $10,000
    (Where do you get the fuel for these things during a collapse anyhow? Fuel is going to be GONE as soon as the crap hits the fan. Then what?)

    Cost of a solar panel system that can run almost everything in your home: $30,000
    Cost of a solar panel system that can handle a central A/C unit: $80,000

    The things electricity is most useful for, is precisely the things that soak up GOBS of it, like electric oven/stove, dryer, and central heat or A/C. The things you can live without (computers, Internet routers, lights, TVs) are much more easily powered with alternate means.
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  • Storing gas is a good idea. We only store a little right now, but I do try to keep my tank full.

    I have a solar oven and a rocket stove, both of which cost me $100.00 each. We also have a Coleman stove that we've used for camping.

    In the foreseeable future we don't have the money for solar panels nor for a generator, that's too bad. We have a fireplace and my next purchase is going to be a couple of those buddy butane heaters to use in a pinch. Also a shot gun for home defense.