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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2018, 05:58:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on July 04, 2018, 03:11:29 PM
    If your spouse divorces you, that is an indication that he / she does not have the Catholic spirit, and that you did not use prudence and wisdom selecting him / her in the first place, and you must assume the full consequences of your error.

    Indeed, and in the real world, 99% of the time the husband had SOMETHING to do with it and helped drive the wife away.  So, for instance, while it would not justify divorce, many guys can be complete jackasses and treat their wives poorly.  While still not justifying divorce, the husband clearly has SOME blame for the breakdown.  Honestly, I've rarely known a woman would wouldn't love even a big-time loser if only he showed her love, respect, and affection ... and gave her the attention that women crave.  Just ask my wife  :).
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #31 on: July 04, 2018, 07:30:09 PM »
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    • More feminization and condoning of women getting a divorce.  ...A major problem with society today is the coddling of emotional decisions, the promotion of sentiment over reason and the use of passion in place of logic.  All of these are examples of FEMINISM - the feminine mindset subverting/dominating the masculine mindset.  

    Catholicism teaches the complete opposite.  Ones emotions are subjected to reason.  Females are subjected to males.  Humanity is subjected to Truth.  
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #32 on: July 04, 2018, 07:43:20 PM »
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    • It’s simple human psychology:  if you reward bad behavior and if there are no consequences, then bad behavior continues. 

    If a woman can get a divorce, have her children, and get financially rewarded for it, what incentive is there to not do so (aside from the spiritual consequences, which are easily ignored, as our lives repeatedly show)?  There’s EXTRA incentive for the woman, who lives her life by emotion, if she can blame her actions on some vague, unqualified excuse of “not being loved enough”.  

    How can anyone argue with feelings?  You can’t.  (This is how Satan gets many of us to sin). Therefore, to condone a woman’s actions, which 99% of the time are based on emotion, AND to legally (and socially) reward actions on these emotions, is the definition of feminism, which is just a form of social insanity.  For pure emotion is an absence of reason and an absence of reason is a lack of intellect, likened to the animal nature.  
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #33 on: July 05, 2018, 08:16:00 AM »
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    For several months, I had a contractor working at our home while I was at work.  I never had the slightest bit of distrust of my wife.
    I know a wife of 7 children who left her husband (and kids!...the youngest was like 3) and moved to florida with a contractor she met while he was working on the house.  They weren't a trad family but still, a nice novus ordo family.  They were pretty well-off too.  I think the wife was just tired of raising kids and wanted a fun life.  It certainly wasn't because the husband beat her or had a gambling problem.  Very, very sad situation.  Most of the kids turned out with many problems.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #34 on: July 05, 2018, 10:20:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 04, 2018, 05:58:12 PM
    Indeed, and in the real world, 99% of the time the husband had SOMETHING to do with it and helped drive the wife away.  So, for instance, while it would not justify divorce, many guys can be complete jackasses and treat their wives poorly.  While still not justifying divorce, the husband clearly has SOME blame for the breakdown.  Honestly, I've rarely known a woman would wouldn't love even a big-time loser if only he showed her love, respect, and affection ... and gave her the attention that women crave.  Just ask my wife
    I get pretty snappy myself if I feel like my husband is taking advantage of me. Wives should be submissive to their husbands, but not their servants. I mean we have feelings too lol no one wants to feel like their hard work goes unnoticed, or that no one appreciates it. Husband need that same kind of support! Wives who tell them they see the sacrifices they make for the family, they see how hard working they are, and how the family would fall apart with out them. Wives need to hear it too, and a little romance goes along way.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #35 on: July 05, 2018, 01:51:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 04, 2018, 05:54:16 PM
    You can rent a room for about $300-$350 a month in my part of the country (utilities included).  There are lots of elderly couples who want an extra income in their retirement and are stretched thin and will rent out rooms.  Of course, my Mother is still alive and I could always move in with her until she passes away ... eliminating rent altogether.  She would probably like the company and the help around the house.  What would I need a house for?  And I would rent it close enough to my job that I could walk or ride a bike or, worst case, ride a bus.  No, I wouldn't have much left over to donate to the Church, but God would recognize that.  Rest would be food and clothing.  As it is I spend no more than $100 per year on clothing (just ask my wife, who sometimes gets on me about that).  I have lots of traditional Hungarian recipes that are extremely inexpensive and yet very satisfying.  $800 would be no problem for me.  I've lived on less than that at different points in my life.
    Something tells me your wife does the majority of shopping for necessities. I think you might get 'sticker shock' if you really added things up. Things cost quite a bit more than they used to due to inflation. 
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #36 on: July 06, 2018, 10:25:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 05, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
    I know a wife of 7 children who left her husband (and kids!...the youngest was like 3) and moved to florida with a contractor she met while he was working on the house.  They weren't a trad family but still, a nice novus ordo family.  They were pretty well-off too.  I think the wife was just tired of raising kids and wanted a fun life.  It certainly wasn't because the husband beat her or had a gambling problem.  Very, very sad situation.  Most of the kids turned out with many problems.
    You think?  It certainly wasnt??
    How do you know, either way?
    I think you shouldn't presume.  Many wives can hide abuse well.  Gambling is not a Catholic reason for leaving, but it could be grounds for legal temporary separation so the husband couldn't make the family destitute.
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    Satan is everywhere, even in the best families; probably more so.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #37 on: July 06, 2018, 10:36:56 AM »
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    How do you know, either way?
    I think you shouldn't presume.
    I know the family VERY well.  My relatives were some of their best friends.  The wife left with another man and moved to florida; classic case of adultery.  I know for a FACT there was ABSOLUTELY no domestic abuse. 
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #38 on: July 06, 2018, 10:47:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 06, 2018, 10:36:56 AM
    I know the family VERY well.  My relatives were some of their best friends.  The wife left with another man and moved to florida; classic case of adultery.  I know for a FACT there was ABSOLUTELY no domestic abuse.
    Doesn't sound like you know them well: 
    "I think the wife was just tired of raising kids and wanted a fun life. "
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #39 on: July 06, 2018, 11:18:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 05, 2018, 01:51:23 PM
    Something tells me your wife does the majority of shopping for necessities. I think you might get 'sticker shock' if you really added things up. Things cost quite a bit more than they used to due to inflation.

    No, it's more about distinguishing between one absolutely needs and what one wants.  I know what things cost.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #40 on: July 06, 2018, 11:21:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 04, 2018, 07:43:20 PM
    If a woman can get a divorce, have her children, and get financially rewarded for it, what incentive is there to not do so (aside from the spiritual consequences, which are easily ignored, as our lives repeatedly show)?

    I've bolded the key phrase.  That's why you have to marry the right woman, one who would not ignore the GRAVE spiritual consequences that divorce entails.  Yes, we all fail in little ways and in little things, but the right person will not make this grave a decision.  Hey, at that point, she could just try to find a way to kill you off without getting caught ... and that would circuмvent the prenup quite nicely.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #41 on: July 06, 2018, 11:26:19 AM »
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    • Just don't marry a woman that you cannot trust to remain faithful.  If you're suspicious out of the gate that she might have an affair or leave you altogether, then she's not a good candidate for marriage.  You can put any prenup you want in place, but the wrong woman will just have an affair anyway ... if she thinks she can do it without getting caught.
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #42 on: July 06, 2018, 11:33:59 AM »
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    Just don't marry a woman that you cannot trust to remain faithful

    Marry a virgin, as the Church advices. There seems to be a link between the number of partners a woman has had before Marriage, and her propensity to cheat and divorce later on.

    See, everything that the Church teaches is for a good reason; even from a secular point of view.  
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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #43 on: July 06, 2018, 11:45:44 AM »
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    • It used to be, (at least where I am from, as my grandmother told me) that if a man found that his bride was not a virgin in the first night, she was promptly returned in shame to her father's house the next day.

    Virginity used to be a real treasure for a woman. Losing it to a man who did not deserve it (not your husband in a long-life commitment) made you quite worthless.
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Catholic Dowry or Sign a Prenup
    « Reply #44 on: July 06, 2018, 11:57:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on July 06, 2018, 11:33:59 AM
    Marry a virgin, as the Church advices. 
    Could you give references for this please?
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