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Offline 1st Mansion Tenant

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Re: Catholic Courting
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2018, 11:01:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 24, 2018, 08:59:45 PM
    Ain't no woman's daddy stopping me. If he doesn't like me, he won't stop from being with a woman whom I love and who loves me. He'd be hurting, if he tried.
    A young woman who will disregard her parent's disapproval and date a man they find unacceptable is probably not going to be an obedient wife either.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #31 on: June 26, 2018, 11:15:48 AM »
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    A young woman who will disregard her parent's disapproval and date a man they find unacceptable is probably not going to be an obedient wife either.
    Excellent point.  A woman must obey her parents, until she leaves the house and then must obey her husband.  This is how God ordained women to live - to be cared for 100% of the time, not to move out of the house and be "independent" which is just a feminism.  It's not the catholic order God wants.
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    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #32 on: June 26, 2018, 11:20:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 26, 2018, 11:15:48 AM
    A woman must obey her parents, until she leaves the house and then must obey her husband.  This is how God ordained women to live - to be cared for 100% of the time, not to move out of the house and be "independent" which is just a feminism.  It's not the catholic order God wants.

    Not if the parents are iniquitous. She's not obligated to obey any evil.
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    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #33 on: June 26, 2018, 11:22:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 26, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
    A young woman who will disregard her parent's disapproval and date a man they find unacceptable is probably not going to be an obedient wife either.

    Another wrong analysis by you. If her parents are wretches & hedonists, but the man whom she loves is a righteous man, she will be obedient to the man, if she is truly pure of heart and remains that way throughout the marriage.  She longs for his conquering of her.
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #34 on: June 26, 2018, 11:30:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 26, 2018, 11:15:48 AM
    Excellent point.  A woman must obey her parents, until she leaves the house and then must obey her husband.  This is how God ordained women to live - to be cared for 100% of the time, not to move out of the house and be "independent" which is just a feminism.  It's not the catholic order God wants.

    This is true.

    In a patriarchal society, women are given from fathers to husbands. They are not supposed to leave home until they are married. The father's authority over her unmarried daughters since infancy cannot be diminished in a true patriarchal society.
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    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #35 on: June 26, 2018, 11:31:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on June 26, 2018, 11:30:05 AM
    This is true.

    In a patriarchal society, women are given from fathers to husbands. They are not supposed to leave home until they are married. The father's authority over her unmarried daughters since infancy cannot be diminished in a true patriarchal society.

    What if her father sɛҳuąƖly abused her?
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #36 on: June 26, 2018, 11:32:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 22, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
    I wouldn't advise being a submissive bitch to any girl's dad in order in to win his favor. That's essentially what you're doing by "befriending" him in advance to get to his daughter. It's a surreptitious act, not matter how much you rationalize it.  You're emasculating yourself to get brownie points, no matter how well and smooth you conduct yourself, or how much you've convinced yourself that you're some pious man extending a helping hand to her dad. You're not being honest with yourself or him. I'd rather my daughter be with a man who is real but rough around the edges, rather than some smooth, sneaky, punk ass phony trying to weasel his way into my family.

    Even a good, holy Catholic girl wants to be conquered by a good, strong, holy Catholic man, regardless if her dad approves of you or not. It's not his decision.

    I think I'll trump you Croix :cowboy:














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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #37 on: June 26, 2018, 11:33:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on June 26, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
    I will trump you Croix :cowboy:


    Nah, he'd end up a missing person, if he came after me. 
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #38 on: June 26, 2018, 11:48:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 26, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
    Another wrong analysis by you. If her parents are wretches & hedonists, but the man whom she loves is a righteous man, she will be obedient to the man, if she is truly pure of heart and remains that way throughout the marriage.  She longs for his conquering of her.
    What do you think the odds are that wretches and hedonists raise up young women who will be good Catholic wives, pure of heart,  that will be very obedient to anyone at all?
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #39 on: June 26, 2018, 02:24:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on June 26, 2018, 07:51:36 AM
    An older woman’s experience here; find out how a prospective husband treats HIS parents.  If isn’t with honor and respect, that’s a deal breaker.  A man will treat you as he treats his parents.  Even if his parents are not worthy of honor or respect, a godly man will refrain from bad-mouthing them.  A woman, likewise, should show proper honor, respect, and obedience to her parents.  
    Anyone who does not respect his or her elders is not marriage material.
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #40 on: June 26, 2018, 02:53:45 PM »
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    Not if the parents are iniquitous. She's not obligated to obey any evil.
    Ok, but that's an exception to the rule.  Even if you were dating a protestant girl who had natural virtue and the parents were anti-catholic, yet still moral parents, it would be wrong to try to subvert the parent's authority and turn her against her parents, even if your motive was so that she would convert.  This type of situation would require prayer and sacrifices that God would soften the parent's heart so that they would bless the marriage.

    St Aloyisius Gonzaga knew he had a vocation and longed to enter the religious life but waited and prayed until his father, who had pagan and unchristian ideals, consented.  God blessed him for his obedience and respect of the office of his father, even though his father was wrong.
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #41 on: June 26, 2018, 04:06:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on June 26, 2018, 02:24:11 PM
    I'm curious what someone finds wrong with my post.  The reason for the down thumb is________________________________________________
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    Please don't be offended, but worrying about ONE downvote is really having some seriously thin skin.  Getting one or two downvotes is no big deal at all. It doesn't even make THAT INDIVIDUAL POST look bad, much less your overall CathInfo reputation. Your post has 5 upvotes, 1 downvote -- the People have spoken that it's a good post.

    If a political candidate got 95% of the popular vote, would he cry about how 5% of people voted against him? Of course not! That's how you have to look at the upvote/downvote system on CathInfo.

    You can't worry about having a "perfect score" on CathInfo -- it's impossible, because encountering a jerk or two on a thread or two will give you a handful of downvotes. What's more important is the percentage. Do you have more downvotes than upvotes? That sort of thing.

    It's like "margin of error". The upvote/downvote system on CathInfo is PERFECT for what it was designed for -- but the catch is that it was only designed for big-picture reporting, if you follow what I mean. There is no way to prevent a person from having a single unjust downvote on a forum where there are human beings with Free Will :)

    If Our Blessed Lord were on CathInfo, I assure you He would probably have some downvotes -- sad to say! He had enemies on earth who literally wanted to kill Him, when He went about doing good, curing diseases, and working miracles! No one is without enemies. Just offer it up -- It makes us closer to Christ.

    (I completely agree with you on the post in question, and I am against Croixalist in this thread, BTW.)


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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #42 on: June 26, 2018, 05:34:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 26, 2018, 04:06:06 PM
    (I completely agree with you on the post in question, and I am against Croixalist in this thread, BTW.)
    :confused:
    I'm assuming you meant, Croix de Fer...
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #43 on: June 26, 2018, 08:54:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 26, 2018, 11:48:18 AM
    What do you think the odds are that wretches and hedonists raise up young women who will be good Catholic wives, pure of heart,  that will be very obedient to anyone at all?

    Another illogical argument by you, for it conveniently ignores the reality of females (or anyone) converting to traditional Catholicism to the dismay of their wicked parents. The fact is there is a growing trend of converts to trad Catholicism, despite the lukewarm rank and file of Neo-SSPX, sooner or later, leaving the Faith, in the wake of Menzingen's courtship with Rome and even preceding it.
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    Re: Catholic Courting
    « Reply #44 on: June 27, 2018, 05:14:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on June 26, 2018, 11:30:05 AM
    This is true.

    In a patriarchal society, women are given from fathers to husbands. They are not supposed to leave home until they are married. The father's authority over her unmarried daughters since infancy cannot be diminished in a true patriarchal society.
    I don't think most traditionalist women would argue that we should submit to our parents before marriage and then to our husband.  However that submission is in the context of their submission to God and their obligation to act in a moral and Godly way.
    For many women in modern society there is a practical break between parental authority and marriage, often filled with further education, work outside the home and 'dating'.  All of which in my view exposes young women to huge risk of sin and makes submission in marriage more difficult because of the influence of feminism.  For this reason it would be far better that girls did not leave home until marriage !
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