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Offline moneil

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Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
« on: June 19, 2025, 10:52:53 PM »
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  • Here is a clip about the construction trades program in the Pasco, WA School District (my alma mater, class of 1969).  I'm not promoting the public school system, but it is good to see job skills training being provided to young men.  Vocational education is now sometimes called Career and Technical Education (CTE), and is slowly overcoming the misguided stigma that its for people not smart enough for university.
    https://www.applevalleynewsnow.com/news/pasco-high-school-students-build-524-000-home-launch-construction-careers/article_32a91b8d-e254-49fd-9eef-0abc9c0fad06.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawKlhJhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFtdWlGTmpHcUU5WjdjUlVCAR46lJ58ZJwS9QEvIZleBEcGwAbV0bTu4kMh6oQ_CybXtw3gKFv_x_nyJ14t8Q_aem_MIrmNhQgOqOV_pdodOjL_Q

    Last winter quarter I took a welding class at my local community college for a refresher.  I've not had that training since high school farm shop, and I hadn't picked up a stinger in over twenty-five years.  I wouldn't have known what amperage to set or what rod to use for a particular application.  The young man in the booth next to me was finishing the third year of a five year electricians apprentice program.  Welding wasn't part of being an electricians apprentice, but they are encouraged to broaden their skills set.  He had to pay his tuition and lab fees up front, but if he passes the welding classes his union will reimburse those.  He also said that in 2024 he made over $100,000 (at age 22 or 23), albeit a lot of overtime was involved.

    The skilled crafts ... mechanics, welders, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, machinists, masons (as in stone work), etc. ... will always be needed, will always be in demand, the work can't be exported nor done online, and these jobs are typically better paying than occupations in the hospitality, retail, and service sectors.  They are also useful skills to enable one to work their way through university.  It would be great to have buildings designed by architects who had once worked construction, or to have a vehicle designed by an engineer who had once actually worked on cars.

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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2025, 04:23:23 PM »
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  • It beats coming of college with an unusable degree and the equivalent of a 30 year mortgage.  


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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #2 on: June 27, 2025, 11:48:02 AM »
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  • I was reluctant to bump my own post, but I had also been hoping that others might provided examples of good careers for a man to support a family.

    There are frequently posts about the difficulty a young man may have in establishing a domicile and having sufficient income to support a family, in addition to finding a suitable wife to begin with.  Yet, I gave an example in the OP of a guy in his very early 20's with a six figure income, though he is still an apprentice.  These opportunities are widely available today.  I posted a video about young men learning house building while in high school.  Even if they don't ultimately go into the building trades they are learning skills that will serve them well in life.

    A guy I went to college with (I graduated in 1973 with a degree in animal science with an emphasis in dairy production) received a parcel of land (1/4 - 1/2 acre maybe) from his family when he married.  After work he built a studio apartment type space (open floor plan, murphy bed, room for a baby crib and a small child's bed,  kitchenette, enclosed lavatory and shower, an attached utility room with laundry facilities and storage.  It was part of an overall plan and designed for expansion.  Over time, as his family grew, he added on bedrooms and living space.  The original "studio" was designated to become the garage, but he decided it was too nice for that, so it became a family room and he built a shop building for the garage.  This was done at a much lower cost that a contractor built house, and it was mostly a "pay-as-you-go" project, so much lower finance costs.

    In 2022 a good friend of mine's son got married, in a Solemn (not High, Solemn, with deacon and subdeacon) Mass at the diocesan parish of St. Patrick's in Walla Walla, WA.  The family has a farm and winery where John works with his family.  To save money they have been living in a camper on the farm, with a roughed in larger kitchen in one corner of the winery.  Their second son was just born in the past month.  In the interlude between cherry harvest (happening now) and apples and wine grapes later, John is going to start building a house.  This will be constructed in segments and "pay-as-you-go".  John also wants cows, including a milk cow, so I'm going to see if I can get the Surge portable milker I used in high school going again (the blessing and curse of a farm is that nothing gets thrown away).

    For sure, these two couples had some advantages.  They both had free or low cost land available and could tap into already dug water wells.  The first guy's family is in the logging road construction business and the 2nd is on a farm, so there is access to trucks, tractors, trailers, and other equipment and tools.  Both are from large families, extra help can be called in when needed.  I've known other couples who built kit houses at a lower cost than purchasing an existing house.

    Young men should be looking into the skilled trades for training and work opportunities.  Apprenticeships are often available without cost through union halls, plus one is working and has income during training.  Training programs, often through local community colleges, are lower cost than traditional four year university degrees.  Even if one is home schooled, in some states they may still be able to tap into the local secondary public school CTE programs.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #3 on: June 27, 2025, 12:22:52 PM »
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  • The skilled crafts ... mechanics, welders, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, machinists, masons (as in stone work), etc. ... will always be needed, will always be in demand, the work can't be exported nor done online ...

    No, but they can (and often do) import laborers from Mexico ... to bring wages down.

    I believe that these are the two most solid bets ...

    1) healthcare (though there will be some dropoff after the boomers pass away)

    2) auto service -- given how complex autos are becoming, more and more they say that these jobs are half IT and half mechanical skill, just as cars are becoming half computer, half mechanical, and it'll only get more that way if they move to electric vehicles.  Typically workers from Mexico would not have the technical skill and the communication skills required to hold down these jobs

    Everything else is getting more and more thinned out.

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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #4 on: June 27, 2025, 12:31:19 PM »
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  • No, but they can (and often do) import laborers from Mexico ... to bring wages down.

    I believe that these are the two most solid bets ...

    1) healthcare (though there will be some dropoff after the boomers pass away)

    2) auto service -- given how complex autos are becoming, more and more they say that these jobs are half IT and half mechanical skill, just as cars are becoming half computer, half mechanical, and it'll only get more that way if they move to electric vehicles.  Typically workers from Mexico would not have the technical skill and the communication skills required to hold down these jobs

    Everything else is getting more and more thinned out.

    Yes, but that "ivory tower macroeconomics take" is contradicted by the reality on-the-ground, at least in my area.

    There is plenty of such work to go around, and the prices for such labor are not low at all. Yes, Mexicans are willing to work, and to do "real" work at that. But there is a shortage of such workers; it doesn't matter if there are 100,000 workers, if there are 200,000 workers' worth of jobs to be done.
    On my property, there are so many things we need fixed/done around here, but we don't fix them because we don't have a handyman available. I think there is more work to be done vs. the number of people ready & willing to do the work.

    I live in Texas, where there are PLENTY of Mexicans. Based on what I've paid out for various jobs in the past 5 or 10 years, I'd say prices haven't been driven down too far yet! Even the Mexicans are making pretty good money.

    So yeah, there is money to be made for anyone willing to work. Anyone willing to break a sweat, use some tools, or get their hands a bit dirty.

    But I don't see Mexican laborers loitering outside my Home Depot, loitering on the street, or anywhere else. Or spamming up the Facebook groups with "hire me" ads. They're all busy on the hundreds of State road construction projects, new housing developments, etc. since Texas is on fire with growth right now.

    We have a local guy, (not Mexican) who is an expert mechanic. He fixes cars/trucks/tractors/bobcats/lawn mowers/small engines/etc. He will never starve. He is always busy. Zero danger of him running out of work in the next 50 years. And he's in his 60's.
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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2025, 06:48:51 PM »
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  • No, but they can (and often do) import laborers from Mexico ... to bring wages down.

    I believe that these are the two most solid bets ...

    1) healthcare (though there will be some dropoff after the boomers pass away)

    2) auto service -- given how complex autos are becoming, more and more they say that these jobs are half IT and half mechanical skill, just as cars are becoming half computer, half mechanical, and it'll only get more that way if they move to electric vehicles.  Typically workers from Mexico would not have the technical skill and the communication skills required to hold down these jobs

    Everything else is getting more and more thinned out.
    I will point out that healthcare has mandatory vaccinations as a requirement (at least in my country).

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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #6 on: June 28, 2025, 08:04:44 AM »
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  • I don't see it often mentioned, but the position of welder is in demand and high paying.  

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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 10:06:22 AM »
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  • I believe that reply #3 is WAY over simplified, and that Matthew in reply #4 has a good grasp of the situation based on the "reality on-the-ground", which is where my perspective is coming from.

    There are several careers with the potential to allow a single income husband and father to support a large family.  I've know people who have / are doing well in life insurance/investment products, real estate, and even selling cars.  Depending on the product, market, and commission structure many sales positions can be lucrative, but these jobs won't fit everyone's personality or drive.  Health care is a good field but decent wages only start at the RN level and above, and involve 2 -  10 years of expensive education and training.  One can get a 2 year RN degree at a community college and then their bachelor and even master degrees over time while working.  Emergency service workers (EMT's, paramedics, firefighters) often earn well also.  As has been mentioned there will be extensive vaccination requirements to be employed in health care and as first responders.  Those who go into accounting and financial management, business management, the law, engineering, etc. can do well, but they will usually have 4 - 7 years of university attendance (4 minimum, higher if they take a masters or law degree), potentially with student loan debt, and it may take another decade or more of "climbing the corporate ladder" before they achieve a decent income.

    The point I was trying to make is that for a man in his 20's who wants to build a decent paying career, gain transitory skills (as a way to work their way through university for example), or acquire life skills (being able to build your own house for example), vocational (or career technical education - CTE as is often called today) and union apprenticeships in the skilled trades are very viable options.  This is especially true in fields that require a license or certification, such as electricians and welders.


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    Re: Career and Technical Education for good paying jobs
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 10:42:36 AM »
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  • The point I was trying to make is that for a man in his 20's who wants to build a decent paying career, gain transitory skills (as a way to work their way through university for example), or acquire life skills (being able to build your own house for example), vocational (or career technical education - CTE as is often called today) and union apprenticeships in the skilled trades are very viable options.  This is especially true in fields that require a license or certification, such as electricians and welders.

    In conclusion, you should at least TRY SOMETHING along these lines. You're not going to regret knowing how to do stuff. It will at least help you gain self-confidence, especially around women. What's the alternative? Sitting on your butt all day, wasting time, engaging every curiosity (youtube? surfing the web?) and that's the best-case scenario. Worst case would involve committing various sins due to excessive idleness and free time (hatred, sins against charity, impurity, etc.), committing crimes due to frustration, depression, or even "unaliving yourself" or "self-deleting" to use a modern term.

    We've all been placed on this earth by God. Giving up and dying isn't an option. Yes it's hard to make a good living in current year, but you'd be surprised how many challenges our forefathers faced. Sure, their challenges were different, and the grass is always greener on the other side, but don't think for a minute it was all roses and rainbows for them.
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