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Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2019, 06:20:38 AM »
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  • " Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist? "

    Yes, in fact, ethnos needs logos.



    "Is it morally right to be an ethno-Nationalist? "

    Not necessarily in and of itself.  There's good globalism and bad globalism.  There's good nationalism and bad nationalism.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #61 on: September 28, 2019, 09:18:44 PM »
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  • I kind of feel like you are a Black-Pilled edgelord. Cool, but I agree with the more moderate posters on this thread. God created all men in his image and likeness, he doesn't care what you look like or who your dad is. But to answer the original question that OP posed. I think it is a very dangerous place to be in if you identify yourself as a Ethno-nationalist. There were some bad people who were Ethno-nationalists. I do NOT agree with open borders or the importance of "diversity" but there is a difference with being conservative and being an ethno-nationalist. If you want to preserve your culture (I.E. western Culture) you convert whoever deserves to enter your country to it. You cant keep people out just because of their skin color or nation of origin. If they pose a threat due to their CULTURE or criminal background etc they shouldn't be let in. What i mean by threat to your culture is something like radical Islam, they want to make western civilization into a Medieval Hell-hole like Iraq currently or Iran. I am down with keeping that sort of threat out, but like I said before when you say ethno-nationalist I see a severe problem with that. Ethnicity or race should not be a decision making factor in a Catholic's mind. You have to look at the individual rather than a whole group.  
    I haven't read this whole thread, but right now I think there's a balance.

    One extreme: "Every individual in X group is bad/inferior/whatever."

    Other extreme: "There are NO differences in any way, in ability or cultural capability between racial groups.  Everyone is the same."

    I currently disagree with both extremes.  There are holy, intelligent, culturally compatible individuals in every group, but to say that there aren't averages, statistics, or that race has nothing to do with either, seems statistically naive to me.


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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #62 on: September 29, 2019, 08:15:02 AM »
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  • I think one should love one's own people, more than other peoples as one loves one's own family more than other people as one's nation is akin to one's family. Of course one must love one's neighbors too from other nations. But as we tend to love people to different degrees we should love our own people to a higher degree than foreigners.

    One thing I agreed with that E Michael Jones said is that he was not "white". He said white is a made up term from last century when people of different races moved out of their ethnic neighborhoods in cities to suburbia. He says he is half German and half Irish. So I am not "white". I am Slovak and Irish with some other European nationalities mixed in. One sad thing is as a modern American I learned very little about my Irish ancestors and almost nothing at all about my Slovak ancestors.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #63 on: October 05, 2019, 08:23:44 PM »
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  • You think Heaven will be segregated, too?

    Bishop Williamson said something to the effect “ You have more in common with your fellow traditional Catholic on Fiji than the man one house over.”

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #64 on: October 05, 2019, 08:55:05 PM »
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  • You think Heaven will be segregated, too?
     
    A VERY EXCELLENT question.  I have an answer.

    And the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates thereof shall not be shut by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.  Revelations 21:24-27


    The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into Heaven.  "Nations."  Plural.  Many different groups of different peoples will bring their individual contributions---their glory and honor---into Heaven.  What happens after that, though?  I couldn't tell you.  But I CAN tell you that the diversity of the different peoples of the world is initially present.  Will God choose to meld us and have us cast away our earthly characteristics, or will He recognize and accept our individual characteristics?  I think the latter.  I do not think that God intends to transform His faithful into the Borg.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #65 on: October 06, 2019, 01:36:37 AM »
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  • A VERY EXCELLENT question.  I have an answer.

    And the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates thereof shall not be shut by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.  Revelations 21:24-27


    The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into Heaven.  "Nations."  Plural.  Many different groups of different peoples will bring their individual contributions---their glory and honor---into Heaven.  What happens after that, though?  I couldn't tell you.  But I CAN tell you that the diversity of the different peoples of the world is initially present.  Will God choose to meld us and have us cast away our earthly characteristics, or will He recognize and accept our individual characteristics?  I think the latter.  I do not think that God intends to transform His faithful into the Borg.
    So, if a man belongs to the American nation, he might be standing between a black, latino, and filipino?  ‘Cause this is a pretty diverse nation.

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #66 on: October 06, 2019, 09:08:52 AM »
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  • So, if a man belongs to the American nation, he might be standing between a black, latino, and filipino?  ‘Cause this is a pretty diverse nation.
    No, this is a very diverse EMPIRE.
    The nation of "Americans" are white descendants of English colonists.  The Left has decided to wage an open war against this ethnicity until the very day comes when they are wiped out.  Just like in Hispanola, Rhodesia , and now South Africa.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #67 on: October 06, 2019, 04:05:16 PM »
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  • No, this is a very diverse EMPIRE.
    The nation of "Americans" are white descendants of English colonists.  The Left has decided to wage an open war against this ethnicity until the very day comes when they are wiped out.  Just like in Hispanola, Rhodesia , and now South Africa.
    “The nation of "Americans" are white descendants of English colonists.”

    ...and God recognizes that political designation?  Other Anglo Saxons - UK English, Aussies, Canadians won’t be included?  In other words, He see “American” as the progeny of English settlers circa the 17th century? So in Heaven there will be an “American” section as you have defined?

    Others (descendants of Irish, Africans, Scots, Italian, Poles, Greeks, Mexicans, Chinese, American Indians, Russians) will be duly categorized and sectioned off?  Mixed folks will have to jump from the Irish section to the Italian section, for example?

    I’m not trying to antagonize you, just trying to understand your point. 


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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #68 on: October 06, 2019, 07:38:14 PM »
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  • “The nation of "Americans" are white descendants of English colonists.”

    ...and God recognizes that political designation?  Other Anglo Saxons - UK English, Aussies, Canadians won’t be included?  In other words, He see “American” as the progeny of English settlers circa the 17th century? So in Heaven there will be an “American” section as you have defined?

    Others (descendants of Irish, Africans, Scots, Italian, Poles, Greeks, Mexicans, Chinese, American Indians, Russians) will be duly categorized and sectioned off?  Mixed folks will have to jump from the Irish section to the Italian section, for example?

    I’m not trying to antagonize you, just trying to understand your point.


    My point is only taxonomic.  There's a difference between the United States empire, and actual nations of people within an empire.  For example, the Cherokee Indians are a nation within the United States.  They have rights same as you and me.  But they are a nation---the Cherokee Nation.  Same for most other Indian tribes.  


    Black people, also, are their own nation.  That's why they're so solid with each other.  It's easy for them to recognize their own kin.  And honestly, I think that North American descendants REALLY deserve their own sovereignty and country.  In fact, the blacks of The Nation of Islam would love nothing more than to have their own sovereign state.  They can afford to have this opinion because they're a solid organization with faithful members, and they have racial and religio-political ties to one another.


    The nation that comprises the Americans is different from the Germans who migrated here in the mid-1850s.  And, just to be clear, I'm not a pure-blood guy.  I have some of that German blood in me.  Which means I'm only part of the original "American" stock.  I'm able to tell apart my English sensibilities from my German tendencies.  There used to be something recognized in this country called the Anglosphere.  And the idea of the WASP stems from this tradition.  But American identity has been almost completely destroyed throughout the 20th Century.  


    So, okay, what happens to people from the United States when "the kings of the Earth bring the glory and honor" into the gates of Heaven?  Friend, I have absolutely NO IDEA.  America is a screwed up situation.  Firstly, we've never had a king.  Secondly, we're rooted in satanic Freemasonry.  How does God even view us collectively?  I simply don't know.  I actually fear that answer.  


    Now, just to go back a bit in this thread, I originally said that, yes, you can be a Catholic Ethno-nationalist.  For example, consider the Flathead Indians who were converted into Catholicism.  Heck, remember Sitting Bull, a Lakota Soux chief.  Or Chief Black Elk of the Lakota (who had fascinating visions and prophecies).


    But I want to make this clear: I do not advocate white nationalism.  I am not white nationalist.  I am not white supremacist.  Nor am I a white American nationalist, or a White American supremacist.  I am a monarchist.  And I believe that the only way to save this empire we know of called the United States is for it to become a Catholic Monarchy.  It's unfeasible, unrealistic, and is unlikely to ever happen.  But were it to happen, I think that the racial issues of North America would be resolved.  I wrote about it in the following essays:


    * The Kingdom of Católica America Part 7a: Race
    * The Kingdom of Católica America Part 7b: Race – How An American King Would Ideally Unify Us
    * The Kingdom of Católica America Part 7c: How a Catholic Monarch Would Deal With A Racist America



    I'm a cosmopolitan guy.  That's just how I am.  (Seriously.  I'm actually so pluralistic in my personal life, it's cringe.)  I'm an outsider who actually prefers foreign cultures and the company of internationals.  But that does not mean I turn off my mind and stop recognizing this race game pushed on the people of the United States.  I think Catholicism is the only thing that can fix this place.  

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