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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2019, 01:20:53 PM »
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  • I know most whites have mostly abandoned God and His natural and Divine Law. However, No sin is worse than rejecting Jesus Christ and effectively crucifying Him, which is what most of the Jews did to the Messiah. That is worse than Europeans welcoming cultural Marxism after once having the Catholic Faith. ...If you can't understand this simple logic, then it's because you either don't want to understand it or you have cognitive limitations requiring remedial exercises.
    You are your own worst enemy, you are not going to convince anyone of anything, for you can't read and understand what I have clearly written over and over. You are debating with me about nationalism, something that is natural, love of country and ones own peoples and has always been natural throughout man's existence on Earth, so why do you insist on debating about that? I think it is because you either just like to argue or like I speculated in my last posting, you disagree that it is about the loss of the Faith. Read what I have written and stop preaching to the choir about what we already agree with that:


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    Last Tradhican wrote: "Ethno-nationalist? I never heard that term till this thread.  In normal times such a word would not exist, and even debating with a Catholic about it is akin to debating whether a Catholic is allowed to breath.


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    Forlorn explained:
    I'm pretty sure what he meant is that in normal times everyone would be an ethno-nationalist. Just as every Catholic breathes and sees no contradiction in the two, he says being an ethno-nationalist and a Catholic wouldn't be seen as contradictory at all in sane times. Indeed, at no other point in history were people expected to willingly let themselves become minorities in their own countrie
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #16 on: May 06, 2019, 01:23:56 PM »
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    You're arguing to a non-existent opponent. No one ever defended or even mention Jews before you, nor did anyone condemn ethno-nationalism. Stop putting words in his mouth.

    The point, and it's a most relevant point, about the Jews is they're of the same race & nation as the apostle Paul who was willing to be accursed from Christ for their well-being, despite the fact they murdered and hated Our Lord. If Paul exhibited such great love and concern for his own race & nation, most of whom rejected the Lord, then there is nothing wrong with white European caucasoid-descended people manifesting ethno-nationalism. Ethno-nationalism can lead people who have gone astray from God back to the Catholic faith, too.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #17 on: May 06, 2019, 01:36:23 PM »
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  • The point, and it's a most relevant point, about the Jews is they're of the same race & nation as the apostle Paul who was willing to be accursed from Christ for their well-being, despite the fact they murdered and hated Our Lord. If Paul exhibited such great love and concern for his own race & nation, most of whom rejected the Lord, then there is nothing wrong with white European caucasoid-descended people manifesting ethno-nationalism. Ethno-nationalism can lead people who have gone astray from God back to the Catholic faith, too.
    To even think of defending the FACT there is nothing wrong with nationalism and love of ones own peoples (something which is as natural as breathing), is to admit disbelief. 

    I think you do not really believe what you are saying. If you really believed that you were right, you would not debate with anyone that was against nationalism and love of ones people. Anyone that is against nationalism and love of their own people, hates themselves and are suicidal.

    When you debate someone, you also empower them. You are empowering your enemies.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #18 on: May 06, 2019, 01:41:29 PM »
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  • The point, and it's a most relevant point, about the Jews is they're of the same race & nation as the apostle Paul who was willing to be accursed from Christ for their well-being, despite the fact they murdered and hated Our Lord. If Paul exhibited such great love and concern for his own race & nation, most of whom rejected the Lord, then there is nothing wrong with white European caucasoid-descended people manifesting ethno-nationalism. Ethno-nationalism can lead people who have gone astray from God back to the Catholic faith, too.
    And no one in the thread has argued against this at all. 

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #19 on: May 06, 2019, 01:52:12 PM »
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    To even think of defending the FACT there is nothing wrong with nationalism and love of ones own peoples (something which is as natural as breathing), is to admit disbelief.

    The OP is premised off the uncertainty of the good or Christian-like nature of ethno-nationalism. Nothing wrong with me telling her it's not wrong and why it's not wrong.

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    I think you do not really believe what you are saying. If you really believed that you were right, you would not debate with anyone that was against nationalism and love of ones people.

    I think you're constructing a make-believe narrative to compensate for something you lack. Whatever it might be...
    I would say "neat story", but I can't because it's not...


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    When you debate someone, you also empower them. You are empowering your enemies.

    Oh, so I guess St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, St. Thomas Aquinas, et al, empowered their enemies. Thanks for letting me know that debating is bad and I should become a eunuch.
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #20 on: May 07, 2019, 02:25:37 PM »
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  • Your answers have been appreciated! Thank you for your time!!

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 11:59:04 PM »
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  • I think it depends on how your ethno-nationalism manifests itself.

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #23 on: July 10, 2019, 03:42:26 PM »
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  • I think it depends on how your ethno-nationalism manifests itself.
    Would you mind elaborating? What would be bad nationalism? 

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 08:34:45 AM »
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  • Please don’t turn this into a picture thread. I want verbal discussion.


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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #26 on: July 11, 2019, 09:09:43 AM »
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  • Ethno-nationalism strikes me as the default mode of social organization.  Throughout all of human history-- even unto today-- men have organized themselves according to ethno-sameness.  The only difference today is that the oligarchy disapproves and has an aggressive agenda of multi-culturalism, so we are all under the vague impression that there is something vicious about a so-called "ethno-state."  Yet the northeast liberals still ogranize themselves in small, posh communities behind gates.  Hollywood has its walls and borders and guess what? No brothers or day laborers to be seen.  So even if on the macro level the social engineers have managed to blur the ethno-significance of their states, once you zoom in to other levels its obvious how people organize themselves.

    Of course this doesn't necessarily prove that such organization is right, only that it is the tendency of man to so organize.  To show that it's right, or at least that there's nothing wrong with it, does not the Church's reticence on the issue through hundreds if not thousands of years speak volumes?  The multicultural state is incredibly new, the traditional state encountered by the Church was one of ethno-natives, and I am completely unaware of her ever rebuking the composition or organization of these states.

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #28 on: July 13, 2019, 12:29:53 AM »
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  • I think it depends on how your ethno-nationalism manifests itself.

    How about if I don’t want to live in the middle of a bunch of collard green-eating Walgreens-looters?  Is that a manifestation to your liking?  Or what if I support building a wall on the Mexican border?

    Please share an example of what you would consider an appropriate manifestation.

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    Re: Can you be Catholic and an Ethno-Nationalist
    « Reply #29 on: July 13, 2019, 07:08:26 AM »
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  • Ethno-nationalism strikes me as the default mode of social organization.  Throughout all of human history-- even unto today-- men have organized themselves according to ethno-sameness.  The only difference today is that the oligarchy disapproves and has an aggressive agenda of multi-culturalism, so we are all under the vague impression that there is something vicious about a so-called "ethno-state."  Yet the northeast liberals still ogranize themselves in small, posh communities behind gates.  Hollywood has its walls and borders and guess what? No brothers or day laborers to be seen.  So even if on the macro level the social engineers have managed to blur the ethno-significance of their states, once you zoom in to other levels its obvious how people organize themselves.

    Of course this doesn't necessarily prove that such organization is right, only that it is the tendency of man to so organize.  To show that it's right, or at least that there's nothing wrong with it, does not the Church's reticence on the issue through hundreds if not thousands of years speak volumes?  The multicultural state is incredibly new, the traditional state encountered by the Church was one of ethno-natives, and I am completely unaware of her ever rebuking the composition or organization of these states.
    While I agree that an ethno-state has always been the norm, there is teaching against ethno-sameness within the Church.  

    The account of Pentecost in Acts 2 emphasizes the ethnic diversity of the first Christians: 
    "[6] And when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded in mind, because that every man heard them speak in his own tongue. [7] And they were all amazed, and wondered, saying: Behold, are not all these, that speak, Galileans? [8] And how have we heard, every man our own tongue wherein we were born? [9] Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[10] Phrygia, and Pamphylia, Egypt, and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome,[11] Jews also, and proselytes, Cretes, and Arabians: we have heard them speak in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."

    We see an account of ethnic tension in the early Church in Acts 6: 
    "And in those days, the number of the disciples increasing, there arose a murmuring of the Greeks against the Hebrews, for that their widows were neglected in the daily ministration."  This situation led to the appointment of deacons to oversee the fair treatment of all the ethnic groups.

    This passage in Galations refers to ethnic (not religious) distinctions when it says "Jew nor Greek":
    "[26] For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."  

    The Church is meant to be one people called out from among all nations of the earth.  The Latin word "ecclesia" was borrowed from the Greek words meaning "called out". Ethnic distinctions are meaningless to our status as Christians.

    I think that an ideal Christian state (not that any of us live in one of those) would care more about whether or not people were Christian than their ethnicity.


     

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