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Offline copticruiser

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« on: February 19, 2014, 06:46:52 PM »
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  • Up until now we go but not sure if we are breaking catholic teachings? Just came from a protestant wedding not sure what is the norm?  Can we go I was taught as long as it's not on a Sunday?

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    « Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 08:06:10 PM »
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    Up until now we go but not sure if we are breaking catholic teachings? Just came from a protestant wedding not sure what is the norm?  Can we go I was taught as long as it's not on a Sunday?

    Thanks

    Your friendly Canadian  :farmer:

    you better go confess this mortal sin..

    your truthful Canadian


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    « Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 09:10:17 PM »
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  • Sorry but not fond of opinions only interested  in catholic teachings. Thanks!

    References are a big help.

    You friendly canadian :farmer

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    « Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 09:48:36 PM »
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  • Don't pay any attention to gooch.  He prefers his own opinion on this over the teaching of the Church.

    This thread will answer your questions: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29461&min=0&num=5
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    « Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 09:50:03 PM »
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  • Copticruiser, sorry for gooch's answer.  You don't have to go to confession as there's nothing to confess.
     Yes, you can go to a protestant wedding, funeral or baptism as a guest.  You just may not participate in it.  In other words you couldn't be the bridesmaid or pall bearer.  Sorry I don't have references but that's what we were taught way back before Vat. II.   I've never heard about the Sunday thing.  I don't see why you couldn't go as long as you go to Mass first.  You couldn't go to the protestant service in lieu of going to Mass on Sunday.  Hope this helps.  Maybe someone else can provide references.  I just wanted to give the short answer so you wouldn't be worrying.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


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    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 09:59:37 PM »
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  • Presuming that neither of the couple have ever been Catholic, it's OK to attend, but not to participate in the Protestant services. Not participating includes no reciting of prayers, singing, ect.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
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  • This is from Fr. Jone's Moral Theology. For your question, look at 126b.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 10:17:20 PM »
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  • I wrestle with this limited permission.  
    On the one hand, it seems incongruous for a Catholic to attend a cult ceremony (technically, there is only one religiion - all others are cults), even passively, which implies tolerance for the sin committed; i.e., a protestant "wedding".   These rites outside the Church are not valid.  It's ecumenistic.

    HOWEVER, for many of us with non Catholic friends and/or family, what  a difficult and painful decision.  

    Thank you for the thread link, Mithrandylan.  Great discussion there.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 10:20:47 PM »
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  • It is not considered a sin to attend Protestant weddings or baptisms as a guest. You may not take part of their liturgical services nor pray with them though.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 10:24:04 PM »
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  • MaterDominici, thank you!  I'm embarrassed to say I don't have that book in my library.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 11:25:33 PM »
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    Copticruiser, sorry for gooch's answer.  You don't have to go to confession as there's nothing to confess.
     Yes, you can go to a protestant wedding, funeral or baptism as a guest.  You just may not participate in it.  In other words you couldn't be the bridesmaid or pall bearer.  Sorry I don't have references but that's what we were taught way back before Vat. II.   I've never heard about the Sunday thing.  I don't see why you couldn't go as long as you go to Mass first.  You couldn't go to the protestant service in lieu of going to Mass on Sunday.  Hope this helps.  Maybe someone else can provide references.  I just wanted to give the short answer so you wouldn't be worrying.


    I'll admit this is not a clear cut issue, it's a tough one
    tell me if you 're so sure of yourself after reading this article

    http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2006_AC_Allan.html



    this was my last post from the other thread, no one responded to it


    The Holy Office on Worship with Non-Catholics from 1622 to 1939


    Hence, the Holy Office forbade Catholics to go to the funeral of non-Catholics, except from a causa civilis,28 i.e. from a civil cause. By this, it appears we are to understand that only those who hold a civil office or a position of prominence within a civic community could go to the funeral of a non-Catholic.



    As for Catholics going to the marriages of Catholics being married outside of the Church, the Holy Office says this is forbidden by virtue of law (regula). However, it may be tolerated for a causa civilis,40 and provided that, scandal being removed, there is no perversion of the Faith or contempt for ecclesiastical authority.41 This meant that unless one had a civil cause, one was forbidden to go to the wedding


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    « Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 08:01:17 AM »
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    Copticruiser, sorry for gooch's answer.  You don't have to go to confession as there's nothing to confess.
     Yes, you can go to a protestant wedding, funeral or baptism as a guest.  You just may not participate in it.  In other words you couldn't be the bridesmaid or pall bearer.  Sorry I don't have references but that's what we were taught way back before Vat. II.   I've never heard about the Sunday thing.  I don't see why you couldn't go as long as you go to Mass first.  You couldn't go to the protestant service in lieu of going to Mass on Sunday.  Hope this helps.  Maybe someone else can provide references.  I just wanted to give the short answer so you wouldn't be worrying.


    I'll admit this is not a clear cut issue, it's a tough one
    tell me if you 're so sure of yourself after reading this article

    http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2006_AC_Allan.html



    this was my last post from the other thread, no one responded to it


    The Holy Office on Worship with Non-Catholics from 1622 to 1939


    Hence, the Holy Office forbade Catholics to go to the funeral of non-Catholics, except from a causa civilis,28 i.e. from a civil cause. By this, it appears we are to understand that only those who hold a civil office or a position of prominence within a civic community could go to the funeral of a non-Catholic.



    As for Catholics going to the marriages of Catholics being married outside of the Church, the Holy Office says this is forbidden by virtue of law (regula). However, it may be tolerated for a causa civilis,40 and provided that, scandal being removed, there is no perversion of the Faith or contempt for ecclesiastical authority.41 This meant that unless one had a civil cause, one was forbidden to go to the wedding


    Causa civilis is not limited only to what he thinks here.  Which is why (hopefully) he uses the terms "it appears we are to understand..." [it this way].

    You should stop trying to proof-text the Church's law, now.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 09:01:41 AM »
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  • Just by way of suggestion, one way to deal with this type of a situation is to only go to the reception and skip the ceremonies altogether.  A protestant relative of mine was recently married and, while we weren't present at the ceremony, they were very pleased to see us at the reception.  No one's feelings were hurt.

    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

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    « Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 10:30:42 AM »
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  • It is always tough.

    I see it like this, if someone called my wife a liar or talked badly and insulted or mocked them, how would I feel ?

    Why would I feel differently if they did the same thing to my Church ?

    I guess where I would have to draw the line would be to take into account the attitude they have about the Church.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 04:46:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: ihsv
    Just by way of suggestion, one way to deal with this type of a situation is to only go to the reception and skip the ceremonies altogether.  A protestant relative of mine was recently married and, while we weren't present at the ceremony, they were very pleased to see us at the reception.  No one's feelings were hurt.


    are you sure you're not hurtingGod's feelings by going to a jewish marriage for instance?

     

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