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Where should I go as a prodigal baptized confirmed Roman Catholic in the Norvos ordos of course as a millennial?

The Holy Ghost fresh off the tlm ban 10 minutes from home “ reverent post 1962 mass”
1 (4.5%)
The Byzantine eastern Catholic Church 6 minutes from home
5 (22.7%)
To Franklin Tennessee 2 hrs from home for the tlm which would be impossible weekly
9 (40.9%)
Go to Holy Ghost weekly travel to Franklin when I can.
3 (13.6%)
Continue being upset and dismayed at the whole thing and stay home crying about it.
0 (0%)
Other.
4 (18.2%)

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Offline Michaelknoxville

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Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2025, 03:22:08 PM »
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  • It made sense all along, I just wanted to put a bug in your ear, so to speak, so that you could use the correct spelling going forward.  When you say "Novus Ordo", any traditionalist will immediately know what you mean.
    Haha alright spelling error. Fair enough! Latin is definitely not my strong suit I wouldn’t be surprised if I screwed up my icon. 

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #31 on: November 22, 2025, 04:11:55 PM »
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  • I would definitely contact Our Lady of Lourdes mission in Soddy-Daisy. That is a considerably shorter drive than the Franklin chapel

    I would also check out the Byzantine Church to see how it is. If it's not modernist, go to the Liturgy there when you can't go to either of the Latin Masses
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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #32 on: November 22, 2025, 06:12:50 PM »
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  • I voted "Other". CMRI - Hazel Green, AL /St. Philomena, or Lacey's Springs, AL / St. Benedict's A trip to Cincy (Cincinnati), known as"Sede Central" is another option.

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #33 on: November 22, 2025, 07:28:03 PM »
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  • Our Lord has people out there in Tennessee a lot like you, owning two old cars, a coonhound, and a bunch of tools in a cheap rent dwelling. 

    Please.  Tennessee has four fairly good-sized cities (Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga) as well as several smaller ones such as Clarksville, Johnson City, Jackson, and others.  It's not all "up the head of a holler".

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #34 on: November 22, 2025, 09:29:16 PM »
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  • TN being a long state, is the Franklin chapel really 2 hours away, or 3 with the time zone change? There's a lot of graces gained for every mile, every step taken, every difficulty endured to get to Mass, not that you should seek making getting to mass unnecessarily difficult for the sake of difficulty. I'd still go 3 hours.
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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #35 on: November 22, 2025, 09:36:38 PM »
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  •  but I went nearly three years without Mass, by myself, some of that time without even internet.) 
    How did that happen, if you don't mind my asking? You couldn't travel to mass even a couple times per year?
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #36 on: November 23, 2025, 08:27:55 PM »
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  • According to tradition, you need permission from a bishop to change rites on a case by case situation.
    (As an aside you weren't even allowed to make your Easter duty outside your home parish.)
    Anyway, trads today seem to think they aren't bound by the pre Vat II rules and regulations.  So are they just cherry picking what they agree with?  That's not tradition.
    The archbishop when he formed the SSPX out of necessity changed nothing.

    Is the Byzantine rite in union with Rome? 
    Do you know the rite well enough that you'd recognize that it's been/being changed/modernized?

    Three people I know in three different states/provinces all say it's no better than the Novus Ordo with regard to the irreverence of the people at Mass and of course they've no idea if things have changed from the traditional to the modern...and then there's the language.  Just because the priest looks devout while offering Mass...so do a lot of Novus Ordo priests.

    Catholicism has a number of valid rites.  You belong to one of them.
    I was taught the same.

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 09:56:10 AM »
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  • I'm not sure what people were "taught", but it's incorrect to hold that somone must switch Rites to attend Byzantine Rite even regularly.  Not only do they not require it, but, while it was generally expected for you to register in an actual parish within an actual Diocese before Vatican II, there's almost no Traditional Catholic who has that option regardless ... so in this Crisis that pre-Vatican II expectation would be moot.

    As for the "changes", the Byzantine/Ruthenian (Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom familes) have hardly changed ... just in very minute ways, such as the melodies of the various vernacular chants / singing, small rubrics changes that were in the interests of "de-Romanizing", setting them back to the Eastern practice, etc. ... things that aren't even noticeable.

    Now, with the Maronite, you could walk in and think that you were on a Novus Ordo Mass, where they often have rearranged the sanctuary, sometimes use altar girls, etc. ... but it really does vary with the priest who's in charge of the church, where you can find modern implementations and then the more traditional ones.  But these truly are mostly in their implementation rather than in substance.  Even in the most liberal places, the Canon itself is generally still done in Aramaic.  But if you do find yourself in a place with altar girls, female lectors, etc. ... then it's going to be highly disedifying.  They probably would have implemented Communion in the hand also, except they can't since their method of distributing Holy Communion is by intincture, i.e. where they dip the consecrated host into the consecrated win before placing it in the communicant's mouth.  So one option if you have nowhere else to go, is to sneak in just to receive Holy Communion (I think the Dimond Brothers did that for some years, though that was Ruthenian / Byzantine).

    Byzantine's have not widely adopted aberrant practices like altar girls, though I think you might find one or two there, mostly those who had gone rogue.

    You may find some immodest dress, but then you'll find that more and more even in SSPX chapels these days ... but nothing too outrageous.

    You can go do some reconaissance on the place first to see how it is.

    But these notions about how you can't go there since it's not your "Rite" and how they're as bad as Novus Ordo ... it's just utter nonsense form someone who's completely ignorant about the matter.


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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 09:59:08 AM »
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  • How about ...

    go to Byzantine for the most part and to Franklin when you can

    ... while looking into setting up a chapel yourself

    That's what I'd do.  Byzantine is valid, and they have no issues having Roman Rite people there (many Eastern Rites say that it's only refugees from the Roman Rite post V2 that are keeping them afloat financially) ... and do not require that you change Rites in order to receive the Sacraments there, including Confirmation / Chrismation.  You should look into who your priest was ordained by, however ... since you do occasionally get a priest who had been ordained NO but had switched Rites, or else a "bi-ritual" Novus Ordo presbyter, in which case you'll have doubts about their validity, but it the priest is ordained within a Byzantine line, there's no issue.

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 10:39:13 AM »
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  • How about ...

    go to Byzantine for the most part and to Franklin when you can

    ... while looking into setting up a chapel yourself

    That's what I'd do.  Byzantine is valid, and they have no issues having Roman Rite people there (many Eastern Rites say that it's only refugees from the Roman Rite post V2 that are keeping them afloat financially) ... and do not require that you change Rites in order to receive the Sacraments there, including Confirmation / Chrismation.  You should look into who your priest was ordained by, however ... since you do occasionally get a priest who had been ordained NO but had switched Rites, or else a "bi-ritual" Novus Ordo presbyter, in which case you'll have doubts about their validity, but it the priest is ordained within a Byzantine line, there's no issue.
    I’m excited now. I’ve never considered it but here I’m literally 5 minutes away from a Byzantine mission and will do just that recon missions. I appreciate your insight greatly ladislaus 

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 10:44:03 AM »
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  • You may find some immodest dress, but then you'll find that more and more even in SSPX chapels these days ... but nothing too outrageous.
    I go to an Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy from time to time, and some of the young women are dressed very immodestly, extremely short skirts and so on.  They also sit there and giggle and visit with one another.  Probably there because their parents make them (but why aren't the parents telling them not to dress that way?).

    At my age, I'm not affected by it, but if I were a younger man, it would create a problem.


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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 11:17:37 AM »
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  • I go to an Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy from time to time, and some of the young women are dressed very immodestly, extremely short skirts and so on.  They also sit there and giggle and visit with one another.  Probably there because their parents make them (but why aren't the parents telling them not to dress that way?).

    At my age, I'm not affected by it, but if I were a younger man, it would create a problem.
    It’s huge problem our culture is dealing with and unfortunately the problem starts when they are very young. How sick do you have to be to send a 4th grader out in immodest clothing and it carry’s on right up through their puberty years. The parents are the problem because it’s society that is forming their children. Often the wives wear the pants metaphorically in this type of household. They watch the T.v/media and that is the formation the kids are receiving. 

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 11:24:54 AM »
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  • Thank your Ladislaus for your good advice and information in your posts #37 and #38, especially the following from #37:


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    I'm not sure what people were "taught", but it's incorrect to hold that someone must switch Rites to attend Byzantine Rite even regularly.  Not only do they not require it, but, while it was generally expected for you to register in an actual parish within an actual Diocese before Vatican II, there's almost no Traditional Catholic who has that option regardless ... so in this Crisis that pre-Vatican II expectation would be moot...

    ... these notions about how you can't go there since it's not your "Rite" and how they're as bad as Novus Ordo ... it's just utter nonsense form someone who's completely ignorant about the matter.

    When I was in the eighth grade (1964 - 1965) at a parochial school our teacher's (Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet) previous school had several students from a nearby Eastern Catholic parish (I don't recall which jurisdiction).  We received a bit more understanding of the Eastern Catholic's than most Roman Catholics did.  While every Catholic belongs to one and only one of the 24 (or so) Catholic rites in full communion with the Pope, any Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy / Mass of any of the other Catholic rites to fulfill their Sunday or Holy Day obligation, make a confession, and receive Holy Communion if they are properly disposed.  They may also participate in the general life of that parish (catechism classes, devotions, social events).  During the U.S. immigration wave of the 19th and early 20th centuries most Catholics from Slavic countries needed to attend Latin Rite Masses and have their children baptized in the Latin Rite until Eastern Rite missions and parishes could be established.

    Where I live in the Tri-Cities (Pasco, Kennewick, Richland) of eastern Washington the Ruthenian priest from Spokane comes down once a month for a Sunday evening Divine Liturgy, which I attended last evening.  The liturgy is held in one of the local Roman Catholic churches and is considered an outreach of the Spokane parish, the next step being to become a mission of the eparchy (diocese).

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #43 on: Today at 08:00:12 AM »
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  • It’s huge problem our culture is dealing with and unfortunately the problem starts when they are very young. How sick do you have to be to send a 4th grader out in immodest clothing and it carry’s on right up through their puberty years. The parents are the problem because it’s society that is forming their children. Often the wives wear the pants metaphorically in this type of household. They watch the T.v/media and that is the formation the kids are receiving.
    CPS and busy-bodies are the problem, IMO.  Parents have to walk a fine line these days.

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #44 on: Today at 08:05:46 AM »
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  • CPS and busy-bodies are the problem, IMO.  Parents have to walk a fine line these days.
    Right, because CPS regularly takes children away from parents because of immodest dress. You really seem to want young girls to continue dressing immodestly..why is that?
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