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Where should I go as a prodigal baptized confirmed Roman Catholic in the Norvos ordos of course as a millennial?

The Holy Ghost fresh off the tlm ban 10 minutes from home “ reverent post 1962 mass”
0 (0%)
The Byzantine eastern Catholic Church 6 minutes from home
3 (27.3%)
To Franklin Tennessee 2 hrs from home for the tlm which would be impossible weekly
6 (54.5%)
Go to Holy Ghost weekly travel to Franklin when I can.
0 (0%)
Continue being upset and dismayed at the whole thing and stay home crying about it.
0 (0%)
Other.
2 (18.2%)

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Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  •         I'm not sure I understand what you meant by "being born again". That phrase usually sends up red flags.
    Nichodemus!!! You are a teacher of the laws but you do not understand these things? Haha born again is when you spend 30 years as a modernist heretic and through prayer, fasting and countless hours of research you realize your errors and hit your rock bottom you repent and turn from your sick life of filth. Fair enough!? 

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • I wish I could thumb up you guys advice it won’t let me…… but basically yes we have become Protestants in that sense shopping for churches. I’m offended by people I’ve never met. I was so eager for tradition and went through hell to get here. Both physically and spiritually. Just to be kicked in the teeth by the smiling bishop. I’m basing my judgements off articles I’ve read about people I’ve never met. To say the struggle isn’t real id be lying to you. I’m broken hearted over this. So how do I get myself to calm down and sit with these shepherds as a sheep left to the wolves is my issue. 😵‍💫 i have no detachment from it. I can’t get over it. I suppose collecting myself shutting my mouth and just jumping in is the best I can do. I mean that sincerely. I’m having trouble collecting myself enough to not
    be furious at them. But I guess it’s what I have to do.
    Remaining peaceful at all times is of highest importance. Agitation is from the devil and leads to sin. Be at peace always even during your own personal failures and have confidence in God.

    I would drive up to 3-4hrs away as much as possible or move rather than attend an Eastern rite, mainly because I don't know much about them, but if they are schismatic, I want nothing to do with them. I'd stay away from the diocesan indult TLM as well.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 09:35:12 PM »
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  • I’ve really been struggling with this. Someone mentioned the Byzantine rite as an alternative. I’ve never considered it but looking into it, it appears to be a legitimate alternative. I’m relying on your opinions to guide me. From what I read in here you are people I love and respect. God bless all of you! I will remain Roman Catholic where ever I end up regardless. Despite my perceived poor formation I must have retained something from my baptism and or just being born again has shown me the light either way I want to do things right and staying home is not that.
    Contact a Resistance Priest.

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • Just not any associated with Boston, KY and Bishop Pfieffer.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • Just not any associated with Boston, KY and Bishop Pfieffer.


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  • Haha yes I’m in the twilight zone! Boston didn’t can their Latin mass. They are expanding. Especially In towns like Lawrence. As it gets worse on the streets it gets more packed in the pews. I suppose I’ve made worse decisions. But that’s not good standard. 

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  • As a Roman rite Catholic it would be worth the cross to travel 2hrs each way every Sunday for the true mass. If you can't do that you can fall back on the Byzantine Divine Liturgy. The Divine Liturgy ia fully Catholic and much closer to the true Mass than even the most "reverent Novus Ordo"

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • I don’t fully understand your question. The Diocesan Latin Mass you attended has been canceled. What is meant by “in the Norvos ordos of course as a millennial?”  
    What has being born around 2000 have to do with what you should do about Mass?  “Norvos ordos [Novus ordo] of course (?)” means what? “Of course” refers to what? 

    What you present as your choices seem more than a little peculiar. 
    Ignoring them, I’d advise you to find a traditional Mass not so closely attached to the novus ordo or conciliar church. You mention an SSPX Mass two hours away. That, to me, would be your best option providing the priest isn’t from the novus ordo, not conditionally ordained. Assuming you are in your 30’s, in good health, and have a vehicle up to driving four hours, why not? If gas and tolls are too expensive, consider attending every other week or once a month. If you have obligations on Sunday preventing you from being gone so long or during certain hours, I’m really not sure. 
    While it’d be great to have a large number of fellow Catholics willing and able to start a chapel, that’s something that will not happen quickly. Ask around about people hosting Mass in their homes, or perhaps you could get together with others and host a Mass in your home. That, too, takes time, the right facilities, the basic supplies, the cost of the priest’s transportation, food, possibly overnight accommodations. 
    MAYBE, investigate an Eastern Rite, but be sure it’s Catholic, not Orthodox as in schismatic. I’d recommend first familiarizing yourself somewhat with the language, the actual rite, and if it seems like Vatican II, stay away. You may as well return to the novus ordo as attend anyplace that is headed  down the road of modernism. 
    Someone said to move. If that’s possible, I’d at least consider it. But do not burn your bridges unless you’re willing to endure the consequences. If you have a family to support, make sure they’re on board with you. There’s Faith, and then there’s rash judgment.
    You may just have to go without. Keep the Faith as much as you can without Mass, priest, or Sacraments. If there are others, even just one person, with whom you can pray the Rosary, or meet to read the Missal, do that. If not, catch a livestream Mass. Make spiritual Communions, confess your sins to Christ directly. Try your best to have perfect contrition. Stay out of mortal sin. 
    Were you practicing the traditional Faith during Covid? If so, go back to going solo. (I don’t know what conditions were illegally imposed upon you, but I went nearly three years without Mass, by myself, some of that time without even internet.) I don’t recommend it, but if God allows it, offer it up. Pray the Rosary daily and Our Lady WILL not let you down. Christ does not abandon those who do not abandon Him. 


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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • I don’t fully understand your question. The Diocesan Latin Mass you attended has been canceled. What is meant by “in the Norvos ordos of course as a millennial?” 
    What has being born around 2000 have to do with what you should do about Mass?  “Norvos ordos [Novus ordo] of course (?)” means what? “Of course” refers to what?

    What you present as your choices seem more than a little peculiar.
    Ignoring them, I’d advise you to find a traditional Mass not so closely attached to the novus ordo or conciliar church. You mention an SSPX Mass two hours away. That, to me, would be your best option providing the priest isn’t from the novus ordo, not conditionally ordained. Assuming you are in your 30’s, in good health, and have a vehicle up to driving four hours, why not? If gas and tolls are too expensive, consider attending every other week or once a month. If you have obligations on Sunday preventing you from being gone so long or during certain hours, I’m really not sure.
    While it’d be great to have a large number of fellow Catholics willing and able to start a chapel, that’s something that will not happen quickly. Ask around about people hosting Mass in their homes, or perhaps you could get together with others and host a Mass in your home. That, too, takes time, the right facilities, the basic supplies, the cost of the priest’s transportation, food, possibly overnight accommodations.
    MAYBE, investigate an Eastern Rite, but be sure it’s Catholic, not Orthodox as in schismatic. I’d recommend first familiarizing yourself somewhat with the language, the actual rite, and if it seems like Vatican II, stay away. You may as well return to the novus ordo as attend anyplace that is headed  down the road of modernism.
    Someone said to move. If that’s possible, I’d at least consider it. But do not burn your bridges unless you’re willing to endure the consequences. If you have a family to support, make sure they’re on board with you. There’s Faith, and then there’s rash judgment.
    You may just have to go without. Keep the Faith as much as you can without Mass, priest, or Sacraments. If there are others, even just one person, with whom you can pray the Rosary, or meet to read the Missal, do that. If not, catch a livestream Mass. Make spiritual Communions, confess your sins to Christ directly. Try your best to have perfect contrition. Stay out of mortal sin.
    Were you practicing the traditional Faith during Covid? If so, go back to going solo. (I don’t know what conditions were illegally imposed upon you, but I went nearly three years without Mass, by myself, some of that time without even internet.) I don’t recommend it, but if God allows it, offer it up. Pray the Rosary daily and Our Lady WILL not let you down. Christ does not abandon those who do not abandon Him.
    I was born baptized and confirmed in the Norvos ordos in upstate ny. Our priest and spiritual director was a pedophile James Martin style sent to us from Massachusetts. I stuck my neck out for him and peddled the lie “ unknowingly” that he had relations with a slightly underaged woman which was an excuse made up by the parents to fool us. It was tragic. That was my introduction to adulthood. From there I spiraled out of control and went Protestant for years. It got really bad so I fled to Boston and made a ton of money and it got worse. When Boston fell apart I had come back to my senses and got out of mortal sin just to come here to Knoxville all in on a move just because I wanted to start over in a tlm with people who cared about tradition. As soon as I made it here and planned to go to confession I learned the bergolio appointee bishop beckman had ended the Latin mass in a harsh way. It was a kick in the teeth. 

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    Re: Byzantine rite or canceled tlm Knoxville
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  • I was born baptized and confirmed in the Norvos ordos in upstate ny. Our priest and spiritual director was a pedophile James Martin style sent to us from Massachusetts. I stuck my neck out for him and peddled the lie “ unknowingly” that he had relations with a slightly underaged woman which was an excuse made up by the parents to fool us. It was tragic. That was my introduction to adulthood. From there I spiraled out of control and went Protestant for years. It got really bad so I fled to Boston and made a ton of money and it got worse. When Boston fell apart I had come back to my senses and got out of mortal sin just to come here to Knoxville all in on a move just because I wanted to start over in a tlm with people who cared about tradition. As soon as I made it here and planned to go to confession I learned the bergolio appointee bishop beckman had ended the Latin mass in a harsh way. It was a kick in the teeth.
    Then now is a perfect time to make a clean break with the conciliar church. TLMs and entire dioceses care being rapidly wiped off the map. This could well be God’s timing for you to find a place that’s not subject to the whims of Rome. 
    You fled to Boston and made a lot of money? I assume you mean Boston, Massachusetts, not Kentucky. (I’ve been to the latter and nobody’s making a lot of money there!) Unless you squandered or otherwise spent the money, why not start by doing that two hour drive? Where I currently live, lots of people commute two hours to work and back. 

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  • Then now is a perfect time to make a clean break with the conciliar church. TLMs and entire dioceses care being rapidly wiped off the map. This could well be God’s timing for you to find a place that’s not subject to the whims of Rome.
    You fled to Boston and made a lot of money? I assume you mean Boston, Massachusetts, not Kentucky. (I’ve been to the latter and nobody’s making a lot of money there!) Unless you squandered or otherwise spent the money, why not start by doing that two hour drive? Where I currently live, lots of people commute two hours to work and back.
    Yeah I blew it. I am the definition of God gave me so much and i did so little. I couldn’t even tell you how much God had to dig me out of. I am an embarrassment to God and my family. I’m starting over with nothing at 40. I got coonhound, 2 old cars, a bunch of tools, cheap rent and no debts are my only positives right now. I put myself and a lot of people around me through the wringer. All while being a heretic Protestant Christian. Because that requires absolutely nothing 😵‍💫 it’s a shame.