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Offline xavierpope

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Buy Latin mass
« on: September 28, 2021, 02:27:19 AM »
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    • Is there anywhere I can buy Latin mass online ?
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 07:13:00 AM »
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    • Servants of the Holy Family has a Mass for $21. The founder of this chapel is Fr. Anthony Ward, ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, but I do not know who ordained his priests.

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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 10:00:47 AM »
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    • I think you meant "mass stipends" as when priests say masses in honor of those who donated to him or where you pay for the Hosts. As paying for a mass itself is simony while stipends is donation and meant to support priests.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #3 on: September 28, 2021, 10:24:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on September 28, 2021, 10:00:47 AM
    paying for a mass itself is simony while stipends is donation and meant to support priests.

    This.

    I hope it's a language barrier thing, and not a gross ignorance of the Catholic Faith thing.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #4 on: September 28, 2021, 10:26:40 AM »
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    • Some of my Church friends have come to the conclusion that paying for Mass stipends is simony and a sin. So they no longer have Masses said for people. I wonder if they will have even funeral Masses said for themselves.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #5 on: September 28, 2021, 10:33:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on September 28, 2021, 10:00:47 AM
    I think you meant "mass stipends" as when priests say masses in honor of those who donated to him or where you pay for the Hosts. As paying for a mass itself is simony while stipends is donation and meant to support priests.
    If you would have read the link........
    For requesting a traditional Latin Mass online, there is a minimum stipend of $21.00. $20.00 is for the celebrant of the Mass which represents the donor’s gratitude for the priest’s dedication of the ministerial fruits of the Mass for the donor’s intention. The stipend is not a payment for the Mass. The extra $1.00 provides for the credit card and processing fees associated with the stipend.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #6 on: September 28, 2021, 10:54:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on September 28, 2021, 10:26:40 AM
    Some of my Church friends have come to the conclusion that paying for Mass stipends is simony and a sin. So they no longer have Masses said for people. I wonder if they will have even funeral Masses said for themselves.

    I can see this being a bit fuzzy, and I don't entirely disagree.  Technically the stipend is offer to help support the priest, who may not have any other means of support.

    But this idea of selling Masses online for a fixed fee ... that to me crosses the line.

    Just like for weddings and Baptisms, there should never be an up-front stipend, but it should nevertheless be customary.  Where it gets blurry is when someone offers money up front to get the Mass said; it just smacks of simoniacal transaction.  I think that the practice should separate the payment from the Mass.  If I were a priest, I would not have any transaction tied to the request itself but would tell people that if they are able and wish to, to put some cash in the collection basket in an enveloped marked as stipend or for the personal support of the priest.  That way people could also offer additional support for the priest in addition to stipends.

    This is very similar to the perception, pre-Prot-Deformation, that indulgences were being sold.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #7 on: September 28, 2021, 10:55:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 28, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
    If you would have read the link........
    For requesting a traditional Latin Mass online, there is a minimum stipend of $21.00. $20.00 is for the celebrant of the Mass which represents the donor’s gratitude for the priest’s dedication of the ministerial fruits of the Mass for the donor’s intention. The stipend is not a payment for the Mass. The extra $1.00 provides for the credit card and processing fees associated with the stipend.

    Just because the words are underlined doesn't mean anything.  When they stipulate a MINIMUM stipend, that definitely crosses over into simony.  They're even charging a credit card processing fee.  That's ridiculous and makes the Church look bad.  What priests should at least say is that the CUSTOMARY stipend is $20.  As soon as you stipulate a MINIMUM, you're selling Masses.  Period.  Despite a disclaimer and fine print claiming (falsely) that you are not.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #8 on: September 28, 2021, 11:00:28 AM »
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    • Whatever. It's going to cost $21 if he wants them to celebrate the Mass for him. The OP asks where he can "Buy a Latin Mass," if it's simony, then he is just as guilty for buying it - no?
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #9 on: September 28, 2021, 11:17:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 28, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
    Whatever. It's going to cost $21 if he wants them to celebrate the Mass for him. The OP asks where he can "Buy a Latin Mass," if it's simony, then he is just as guilty for buying it - no?

    Yes, this drifted off topic precisely because of the way OP worded the question.
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    Re: Buy Latin mass
    « Reply #10 on: September 28, 2021, 12:29:27 PM »
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    • Thanks I used servant of the holy family 

    Saves me trekking out really far to my nearest trad church 
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