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Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2018, 03:28:44 PM »
Happenby,
You (and many others) seem to totally ignore the ATMOSPHERE of the novus ordo and think that it doesn't matter to God how people act in Church.  Why is that?  You seem to argue that "all that matters is validity".  How is that all that matters?

Sanctity of Church
If the Church building doesn't matter to God, then why does a Bishop have to consecrate a church (a ceremony which takes many clerics and 3-4 hours to perform) before a mass can take place there?

If a Church doesn't matter, why are catholics forbidden to marry outside of a church?  Why are outdoor masses forbidden from being offered, unless certain rules are fulfilled?

Why does the Church ORDER a re-consecration to a church, and FORBID ceremonies to take place, if a sacrilege has taken place inside?


Reverence due during the Liturgy
Why is it piously held that each church has a specific guardian angel, who protects it and who records the holiness and irreverences committed there?  Why do we piously tell little children to be quiet during mass (if that's even possible at a NO), to be reverent, or else their guardian angel will mark them down as being bad?

Why do we genuflect, if reverence doesn't matter?
Why is there holy water at the entrance?
Why is there a tabernacle at the center and focus of the church?

Why do we have the blessed bells, holy candles, nice vestments, clean altar cloths, statues, gold trimmings, etc, etc if the beauty of the liturgy doesn't matter?  If we can worship God "however we please...as long as communion is valid"...why does ANY of this matter?

Why not just have mass at the local gym, or the local bakery...so we can pray during a workout or drink coffee with a donut RIGHT AFTER communion.


Purpose of the Mass
If a valid communion is all that matters...why is there even an Offertory?
If a valid communion is all that matters...why did God die on Good Friday?  All that matters is Holy Thursday, right?
If the consecration is all-important, why is there an Epistle and Gospel?

If communion is why we go to Mass...why does the Church allow/encourage us to go to extra masses, even multiple each day?  Why did some saints go to 10+ masses a day?  They could only receive communion once, so what's the point?

Why does the priest pray for the living and the dead during the mass, if communion is the reason for Mass?  Shouldn't these prayers be AFTER his communion, since he would pray for them after the most important part of the mass?

Yet, these prayers occur BEFORE the consecration/communion, which makes no sense, if these are 2 most important parts?


Validity of the Mass
If a priest starts Mass and dies right after the consecration, the mass is not a mass, and is incomplete.  It does not fulfill one's obligation and it must be finished by another priest, or re-said from the beginning.  If the consecration = mass, then why does the Church consider the above scenario to be incomplete?

If a priest consecrates outside of a mass, why does the Church consider this a grave sacrilege and also a sin of an illicit liturgy?  If the consecration = the mass, why does the church say the above is wrong?


Morality of the Mass
If a priest says Mass in shorts and sandal, without vestments, why is that mass considered a grave sin?  Why would the faithful commit a sin by attending this horrible sacrilege?

If a priest says Mass with rock music blaring (or any non-liturgical approved music), why is this a grave, sacrilegious sin?  Why would the faithful commit a sin by attending?

Etc, etc, etc....the list of things which make the ATMOSTPHERE of a mass immoral is LONG.  And the NO is full of such things.
No, I don't ignore the atmosphere.  It is out of control in many NO churches.   

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Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2018, 05:04:56 PM »
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No, I don't ignore the atmosphere.  It is out of control in many NO churches.
Sacrilege definition:  "A violation or misuse of what is regarded as sacred."

That definition is pretty general, right?  It could be applied in many, many areas and to many bad circuмstances, right?  So whether the NO is 100% "out of control" and blasphemous or if it is only 10% (or even 5%) scandalous, that means it is wrong and immoral and sinful.

99% of NO masses have some aspect (or many aspects) which "misuse sacred objects", therefore the question of validity is irrelevant, because they are sinful, even if valid.  Therefore, no one should go for this reason alone.


Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2018, 06:49:25 PM »
I place most of these modernist eucharistic "miracles" in the same class as the Bayside apparitions. IOW, I think they're bogus.  But I also don't spend any significant time on them.  My faith neither suffers nor is enhanced by whether they are or are not authentic.

Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2018, 10:47:43 PM »
Ok, I'll take that as your answer.  So, heretic Paul VI took over the Church and taught major error in matters of faith and morals replacing nearly all Masses with fake ones, but the Church and Pope are still infallible?
If Paul VI was an heretic and destroyed the Mass as you say, was he infallible when he did this?  
I would suggest that Pope Paul VI was speaking infallibly when he said that artificial contraception was evil. 

Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2018, 05:27:02 AM »
I would suggest that Pope Paul VI was speaking infallibly when he said that artificial contraception was evil.
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Paul VI never used the term "artificial contraception." You're making that up.
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As for the rest, Paul VI never exercised his infallibility, neither did John XXIII, John Paul I, Benedict XVI or Francis.
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It would seem they didn't believe in papal infallibility. In fact, it's hard to know WHAT they believe, if anything. 
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A friend of mine who recently passed away, Ken Fisher, told me JPII was infallible when he said that women can't be ordained priests.
Which is an objective fact in truth.
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Later, Benedict XVI was asked about that and he replied that JPII did not INTEND to exercise papal infallibility when he said that, and therefore it was not infallible. (Even though it was true!) So perhaps Benedict believes in it; I'm not convinced, though.