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Offline trad123

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Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2019, 11:50:10 PM »
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  • Trent teaches that one man and one woman is DIVINE LAW.  As I explained to you in my first post, the Church CANNOT "bind or loose" divine law.  Period.  End of thread.

    OP, don't be so foolish as to commit a mortal sin against the faith. You're falling under an anathema, if you persist.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #61 on: February 23, 2019, 12:53:15 AM »
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  • I'd like to see the Catholic Church bring back multiple wives as an option for men who seek marriage like back in Abraham's and the early Hebrews' days. Righteous Abraham, King David and King Solomon had multiple wives.  

    We know in Matthew 16:16-19, Jesus Christ gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to bind and loosen on earth, and the same will be bound and loosened in Heaven. This doesn't only mean retaining and forgiving sins, and rendering and lifting the temporal punishment tied to the sin. It, also, means "by making rules and laws for the government of the Church" as stated in the commentary of Haydock Catholic Bible apropos to the aforementioned scripture. It seems the number of wives allowed for a husband by the Church is a disciplinary law, which can change by what is deemed by the Successor of Peter, but Divine Law can never change (truth can't change - God can't change), and such Divine Law is for the man to remain faithful to his wife or wives and not commit adultery and fornication with women outside of his marriage(s), along with the other moral duties of the husband towards his wife or wives.

    I think multiple wives is one of the solutions to, and hedges against, feminism and a contentious wife. Women naturally compete with each other to please the central figure in their lives, which in this case would be their husband, thereby, receiving the affection & security they desire from him. If other wives are in this same husband's life, she will not disgruntle him over trivial matters or for selfish reasons (which is all too common in marriages in this post-modern world), because his favor & affection will shift towards the other wives, although he must still love and support the wife with whom he has retracted much of his favor. Also, in a group setting with other women, these same women will usually check their inner resentments, objections, and dislikes for the other women in order to get along as a cohesive group, because they know their very survival depends on it. This is an intuitive defense mechanism of normal, healthy women in any group setting containing a plurality of women.
    So, like the whole group of women could get together and gang up on the poor fellow?


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #62 on: February 23, 2019, 05:39:17 AM »
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  • No, it applies to polygamy as well because Christ refers to “the beginning” (ie Eden) to show that God designed marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman.  The old law had exceptions for both divorce and polygamy, yet Christ is saying this was/is not God's true plan. 

    Wrong. Christ is referring only to divorce. Here is His exact words:

    8 ) He saith to them: Moses because of the hardness of your hearts permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9) *And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery; and he who shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. ~ Matthew 19:8-9 (Douay-Rheims)

    Nowhere is He even implying it is now prohibited for a man to have multiple wives. He is saying the husband can't divorce any of his wives (nor can any of the wives divorce the husband).

    And the Divine Law pertains to the spouses being faithful to each other, lest they break the Commandment "thou shalt not commit adultery" ... the Divine Law isn't a man can only marry one wife, that's only a disciplinary law codified by the Church, but it can be loosened by the Successor of Peter using the Keys (Matthew 16:16-19).
    Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array? ~ Canticle of Canticles 6:9

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #63 on: February 23, 2019, 06:13:21 AM »
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  • Wrong. Christ is referring only to divorce. Here is His exact words:

    8 ) He saith to them: Moses because of the hardness of your hearts permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9) *And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery; and he who shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. ~ Matthew 19:8-9 (Douay-Rheims)

    Nowhere is He even implying it is now prohibited for a man to have multiple wives. He is saying the husband can't divorce any of his wives (nor can any of the wives divorce the husband).

    And the Divine Law pertains to the spouses being faithful to each other, lest they break the Commandment "thou shalt not commit adultery" ... the Divine Law isn't a man can only marry one wife, that's only a disciplinary law codified by the Church, but it can be loosened by the Successor of Peter using the Keys (Matthew 16:16-19).
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    CANON II.-If any one saith, that it is lawful for Christians to have several wives at the same time, and that this is not prohibited by any divine law; let him be anathema.

    No matter how you twist it Trent condemns exactly what you're saying. By saying that Christians having several wives is not against Divine Law but only Church Law, you are directly contradicting Trent here. It does not mention divorce, you'd have to be the most slippery of Rabbis to try and twist a very plainly stated sentence that does not even imply divorce to somehow be about it. 

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #64 on: February 23, 2019, 06:29:08 AM »
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  • "CANON II.-If any one saith, that it is lawful for Christians to have several wives at the same time, and that this is not prohibited by any divine law; let him be anathema."
    No matter how you twist it Trent condemns exactly what you're saying. By saying that Christians having several wives is not against Divine Law but only Church Law, you are directly contradicting Trent here. It does not mention divorce, you'd have to be the most slippery of Rabbis to try and twist a very plainly stated sentence that does not even imply divorce to somehow be about it.

    I've already refuted this argument several times. Try reading the thread before making hasty posts, and learn how to read.

    Matthew 19:8-9 is strictly in reference to divorce, which is what Pax Vobis tried to conflate with multiple wives being outlawed, but those verses don't even hint at multiple wives. Not even Haydock Catholic Bible commentary speaks of it as referring to outlawing multiple wives.

    Take your strawman and shove it where the sun don't shine, boy. (and learn how to read)

    The Trent Canon II is in regard to not committing adultery. Committing adultery can occur in the current Sacrament of one husband and one wife, when at least one of them cheats on the other spouse, or it can occur in a marriage where a man is married to several wives like the early Hebrews. If an early Hebrew husband had 5 wives, and he had relations with a woman who wasn't his wife, he broke the Divine Law "thou shalt no commit adultery", which is what Trent Canon II is saying.
    Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array? ~ Canticle of Canticles 6:9


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #65 on: February 23, 2019, 07:04:46 AM »
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  • The Trent Canon II is in regard to not committing adultery. Committing adultery can occur in the current Sacrament of one husband and one wife, when at least one of them cheats on the other spouse, or it can occur in a marriage where a man is married to several wives like the early Hebrews. If an early Hebrew husband had 5 wives, and he had relations with a woman who wasn't his wife, he broke the Divine Law "thou shalt no commit adultery", which is what Trent Canon II is saying.
    It never mentions or implies adultery. Nice try though. 

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #66 on: February 23, 2019, 07:26:41 AM »
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  • Just curious, Matthew, why do you let Croix/Quid keep signing back up after having been banned?  This is the second time I know of that he's created a new account after you banned him.

    [Edited to Add] :  you're very quick with the downthumb, Croix.  You've been downthumbing every single post of mine for months now, under one identity or another.
    Good for traffic? Besides (and I know the situation is somewhat different) we've got Sean posting as X now too.

    As for the down thumbing, I believe the same thing has happened with my account.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #67 on: February 23, 2019, 07:28:44 AM »
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  • Before you get multiple wives you gotta get one.
    :jester:

    Best Quote of the Thread.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #68 on: February 23, 2019, 07:41:07 AM »
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  • So, what your saying is you want to live like a Jєω...? Gotcha.

    Offline Judith 15 Ten

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #69 on: February 23, 2019, 09:16:45 AM »
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  • So, what your saying is you want to live like a Jєω...? Gotcha.

    Duuuhhhhhh, is that supposed to be an ad hominem attack? Don't you know that the Faith of the early Hebrews was the genesis of the Catholic Faith/Church? Are you conflating the early Hebrews with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan (to which belongs most, if not all, of 2Vermont's family) spoken about in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9?

    Duuhhhhh ... Duuhhhhhhhhhhh .....Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array? ~ Canticle of Canticles 6:9

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #70 on: February 23, 2019, 09:23:50 AM »
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  • Part of the problem with Croix/Judith's take on polygamy is the naivete and lack of weariness. One should already see what too much polygamy ended up doing to King Solomon. Got wealth OP? In polygamous societies, to say the two are strongly linked is an understatement.

    However, he certainty started a fire with this thread and others here with their responses have reduced its size. With the water that's left, I'm going to extinguish the last flame.

    Wait...what's this? 

    It appears I don't have any water left, but instead a tank of gasoline.

    Use it on the last flame?

    I shouldn't; should I?

    Gasoline is just as true as water.


    Fire, meet Gasoline:

    February 15, 1650
    Nuremberg, Bavaria
    Catholic Congress of Franconia

    The Franconian Diet with approval from the Archbishops of Bamberg and Wurzburg:

    Article 1: During an interval of ten years, reckoning from this day, no man will admitted into a monastery who has not reached his sixtieth year.

    Article 2: All priests and curates not belonging to a religious house or chapter are to marry without delay.

    Article 3: Any man is allowed to marry two wives; but husbands are advised, and they will often be reminded of it from the pulpit, that if the fate of two persons is entrusted to them, they must in turn behave discreetly and prudently, provide for them sufficiently in the first instance, and then take measures to prevent hatred springing up between them.


    :popcorn:
    Pray for me, always.


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #71 on: February 23, 2019, 11:26:29 AM »
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  • CANON II.-If any one saith, that it is lawful for Christians to have several wives at the same time, and that this is not prohibited by any divine law; let him be anathema.

    A N A T H E M A

    No mention of adultery whatsoever, no matter how you try to lie and twist it to suit yourself.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #72 on: February 23, 2019, 11:47:27 AM »
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  • Where in Trent does it say that it's ex cathedra that the pope can't loosen the one wife restriction to multiple wives?

    What part of Trent where the Church teaches that it is DIVINE law do you not comprehend?  Church cannot change divine law.  Period.  This is not a disciplinary matter like priestly celibacy that can be changed.  You keep babbling on about how it's current law.  Current divine law.  Unless God would make another public revelation that He's changing it, the Church is powerless to do so.  Except the Church also teaches that public revelation has ceased.  So the matter is not open ti debate.  Your position is in fact heretical.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #73 on: February 23, 2019, 11:52:48 AM »
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  • #impotency

    Grow up, would you?  I'm not overweight either.  He just says that because I argued against his refined sugar diet that healthy fats are essential for human health.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #74 on: February 23, 2019, 12:14:43 PM »
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  • Grow up, would you?  I'm not overweight either.  He just says that because I argued against his refined sugar diet that healthy fats are essential for human health.
    Lad, don’t even acknowledge it. I’m sure it’s in way hurtful/upsetting, but he’d be shocked at what people actually looked like. He has self esteem issues, and is probably an incel (because of his behavior). He’s jealous you’re married, and a successful husband.